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We solved the "3x the work" cooking issue by camping next to the parking lot and ordering out-by patrols, of course. Separate patrol checks. Scouts can't cook, but at least "Thrifty" is a work-in-progress.
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Here is a recent example posted earlier
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How does someone wrongfully accused get back to scouting and get their good name back? A scout master was named in bankruptcy form in what only could have been a money grab no scout was never alone alone with the leader. The police were notified but there was no investigation performed. The scouter is still in limbo for 3 years.
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In 2019, the YMCA of the USA reached a settlement with several victims of sexual abuse who had filed lawsuits against the organization. The lawsuits involved five victims who had been sexually abused by a former YMCA employee in Minneapolis, Minnesota, in the 1970s and 1980s. The victims alleged that the YMCA had been aware of the abuse and failed to take appropriate action to prevent it. The lawsuits also alleged that the YMCA had a history of ignoring or covering up incidents of sexual abuse by staff members.
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We have no idea how many of those claims are real. And this link suggests this is also just the point of the iceberg. The tar and feathers is due most likely many schools, the Y as here noted, Boys and Girls clubs, uncounted sports groups, and any other youth group the creeps manage to get into. That is the point. The issue is not just BSA, and indications are that based on membership over many decades, the percentages of proven abuse are low in comparison to many. But, the stats are vague, and more is likely unreported or acknowledged than is known. IF the legal vultures decide to go af
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82,000 claimants in BSA Bankruptcy. I guess when an organization has more claims against it.
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https://www.cbalawfirm.com/news/ymca-sexual-abuse/ Just to remind some; the issue is not just one for BSA. Yet, even though this link certainly suggests the Y had just as many issues as BSA, I do not remember seeing any media stories that were tar and feathering them with the intensity of BSA. None of it is okay, but when do we stop somehow making BSA more of a pyria than others?
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I hate typos in my own writing.
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Perhaps she needs a refresher course.
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Rephrase it as 3x the opportunities for scout growth. Scouting isn't "work". By her doing one big patrol she is denying scouts opportunities.
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I know. She likes to interject ALL THE TIME. Leave the scouts be.
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Work for who? Is the SM (she?) doing ALL the work? Is she teaching COOKING MB? Is she doing the KP? Is the CChr doing all they can to keep the SM occupied and busy elsewhere? The SM's job is to sit back by the campfire and say "go ask your Patrol Leader" with appropriate aplomb and important harumf sounds....
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Awesome. I just wanted to get it out there. It feels better to be validated.
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Minor argument that is negotiable. One scout on a campout could be a patrol. We can all agree a patrol is a patrol. Regrouping into adhoc patrols or doing doing things at the troop level subverts the patrol system. When forming long-term patrols at troop meetings, two patrols is not good. Ideally, seven scouts is a good patrol size. ... BUT if on the campout, only one scout from that patrol goes on the campout, then that scout should be given the option to cook by themselves.
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No Scout is going to starve in one weekend campout. Maybe three days, but not two.... And learning to cook is a three step process: 1) watch others cook (mom, dad, the Patrol Leader...) 2) trying it out yourself (when was the FIRST time you flipped a pancake successfully ?) 3) Finding out the cellophane and cardboard on the frozen pizza is NOT part of the ingredients,,,, .discovering that yes, you can cook Dinty Moore Stew in it's can, but you must OPEN IT first..... ... We will discuss hygiene and clean up next time....
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How is it 3x the work for her?? LOL And how will the Scouts learn, if not by doing? I know... preaching to the choir 😜
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Her argument is that is 3x the work. An ASM tried to explain to her that this is the process. This is how things get done. Cooking for 11 isn’t easy, or how it should be done.
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It's hard to get past that sentence. We're not talking about rain or snow here. I've been in a lot of places where people didn't think I belonged and didn't want me there. I persevered and maybe that was character building but it also almost got me killed. I would not subject any youth under my care to such a thing today. Thankfully, we mostly don't have to because most youth organizations have moved beyond such backward ideas. There are plenty of things out there that can build character that don't have anything to do with a person's race, religion, orientation, or gender. -
That would be three separate menus/shopping/cooking/cleanup in our unit, so three patrols. 3 olders is enough for a "patrol."
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One patrol has 7 and the other 9. The one with 9 are older scouts. On the campout there were 3 in the older patrol and 5 in the younger patrol and 3 adults. Scoutmaster attended wood badge maybe 10 years ago.
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Good idea. I guess the general belief is that age 16 or High School is the make or break moment. Sticking around is a good sign that the scouts are enjoying themselves. Making it to First Class is a measure of program success. Any rank after First Class is more about individual ambitions. So, What is the retention rate of 16+ scouts? How many of our Scouts made it to First Class?
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This is argument ad absurdum. In my years as an advisor I didn’t care how people felt about my venturers. (And some voiced fairly negative opinions.) I expected my youth to take it on the chin and press on. Those same people taught my scouts incredible skills. For that, they earned the right to voice any opinion they may have had. Needless to say, over time their opinions became more nuanced after working with my youth. -
Yep. How many Scouts, how many Patrols actually? Patrol cooking and activities are important. Adult "Patrol".... Two Scouts make a Patrol. Patrols can be, ARE a measure of the TROOP'S success. Perhaps the SM sees the few Scouts (how many "few"?) just need to be economically, efficiently co-agulated into one "PATROL" of the whole. SM then misses the point. The gang is the Patrol. Kids want, will gravitate into a gang, if there is nothing else. Look at Haiti. as an extreme example. Patrols are a learning time, a chance to do "gang" stuff in a GOOD way. Where did S
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To that end, I'd suggest looking at how many scouts have been active up to high school (regardless of rank). If a scout has been in the program for 3-4 years, they've likely 1) enjoyed themselves and 2) absorbed most of the lessons the program offers.
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To clarify, I am looking for measures of success of the youth from the perspective of a Scouter. For example, one of my least favorite measures is probably "How many Eagle Scouts did we produce during my tenure?" But, alternatively, one that I think might be good is "How many (percentage) of our Scouts made it to First Class?" I'm not really sure why I think that; its just a gut feeling at this point. I do get that the answers to my OP are likely subjective by most standards, though my intent is to figure-out if there are reasonable objective measures. Certainly, too @Skeptics point, the
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By SiouxRanger · Posted
We solved the "3x the work" cooking issue by camping next to the parking lot and ordering out-by patrols, of course. Separate patrol checks. Scouts can't cook, but at least "Thrifty" is a work-in-progress. -
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By jumpingjoj · Posted
How does someone wrongfully accused get back to scouting and get their good name back? A scout master was named in bankruptcy form in what only could have been a money grab no scout was never alone alone with the leader. The police were notified but there was no investigation performed. The scouter is still in limbo for 3 years. -
By johnsch322 · Posted
In 2019, the YMCA of the USA reached a settlement with several victims of sexual abuse who had filed lawsuits against the organization. The lawsuits involved five victims who had been sexually abused by a former YMCA employee in Minneapolis, Minnesota, in the 1970s and 1980s. The victims alleged that the YMCA had been aware of the abuse and failed to take appropriate action to prevent it. The lawsuits also alleged that the YMCA had a history of ignoring or covering up incidents of sexual abuse by staff members. -
We have no idea how many of those claims are real. And this link suggests this is also just the point of the iceberg. The tar and feathers is due most likely many schools, the Y as here noted, Boys and Girls clubs, uncounted sports groups, and any other youth group the creeps manage to get into. That is the point. The issue is not just BSA, and indications are that based on membership over many decades, the percentages of proven abuse are low in comparison to many. But, the stats are vague, and more is likely unreported or acknowledged than is known. IF the legal vultures decide to go after the Y, or others, we may see just as large, percentage wise, of an ugly reality of our whole society, and frankly most likely the larger world. That is the only point. There is no excuse for your trauma, but sadly, we can see you are one of too many, and not just with BSA.
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