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  2. $100 bet? I'm shocked...shocked to find gambling is going on here.
  3. He waited too long. It’s his problem, not BSAs. If I waited and did not give myself enough time, then it would be my poor time management skills. Thankfully, all I have left is the application.
  4. He already did, it was denied.
  5. I bet $100 he gets it if he appeals to National. I denied one recently for similar circumstances as SM, for a scout who had not been camping since 2014, had not correctly finished 5 eagle merit badges, never served in a position as Life, etc.. but the parents submitted what looked more like a legal brief to Council/National than a request, and in their letter made it sound like all of us leaders were incompetent, etc. And eventually after even the Council Eagle Committee who performed their investigation and reviewed it did not give their approval, still when they sent it with their non-recommendation to National, the Troop was still overruled by National, and so the Council gave him a board and approved his eagle anyway. None of us in the Troop were involved in the board, we refused. I got the feeling National and Council just wanted them to go away and gave them whatever they wanted so they would not go to court. That is the way it is these days.
  6. FireStone

    Recruiting Resources

    We're doing the same here, using the new "Scout Me In" stuff in local stores, libraries, etc. In trying to maximize exposure with limited budget, doing a short print run of color flyers that can be posted in public places puts a lot of eyes on our Pack info without doing a 1-flyer-1-family ratio. We targeted local places with high traffic and/or high numbers of kids and parents, like the community center, libraries, ice cream shops, supermarkets, etc. We're putting up posters in schools (5 schools, 5 posters, it's fairly inexpensive), digital flyers are send home through the school district "virtual backback" system, and we do a lot with social media and facebook especially.
  7. CherokeeScouter

    Denied a court of honor.

    That's simply not true.
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  9. He had to know going into the project that his chance at the Eagle rank was going to hinge on the appeal process. It was a gamble all the way through. Some choice wording in the article, the author's bias is glaring. "Technicality derails Eagle bid..." You can't derail a train if gets started off the track. Is it still a "derailment" if a scout joins up at 16 and can't make Eagle? Is it still just a "technicality"? "It seems there's a rule requiring Eagle candidates to hold the rank of Life Scout for at least six months..." It seems? No, it's written, clearly. It's not some hidden language or ambiguous requirement, and it has existed for a long time. I have no issue with a scout doing a project and going through the appeal process in an attempt to earn rank. As mentioned, I suspect he knew all along that this was a risk to take. The appeal process exists to ask for clarification or a ruling on something. He kind of alluded to that in the article. But I do have issue with the suggestion by the author (and those seemingly in agreement in the scout's local community) that he was somehow "derailed" or otherwise unfairly treated.
  10. CherokeeScouter

    Denied a court of honor.

    Oh, we did a 60-second COH Monday night before the meeting. Outstanding kid, too. He was headed to college on Tuesday. We called the mother and son up before the whole troop, she pinned the medal on him, he gave Mom the parents' pin and Scoutmaster said a few kind words. And all the Crossovers and their parents were there. Pretty cool, if you ask me. The one time Crossovers were quiet. Please don't let these idiot leaders rain on your son's parade.
  11. CherokeeScouter

    Denied a court of honor.

    I think you need to go to your Council office and see if your son's Eagle was recorded. Here in Florida, the process is BOR, which then sends the App to National. National then notifies the local council, which in turn sends a letter to the Scout congratulating him and inviting him to come by the Scout Shop and get his credentials and Eagle presentation kit, which includes medal and patch. Then parents can hold a COH anytime they want. You do not need a troop. But you do need to make sure Council has your son recorded as Eagle. In fact, we had a Scout and parents who had some conflicts with the troop and held a COH totally separate from the Troop and at a different location. Only a select few were invited.
  12. CherokeeScouter

    SPL Charging $ to participate in games at camping event

    Taught the boys Black Jack at Winter Camp. Made enough to cover my Trading Post expenses. Separating a boy from his money through gaming teaches valuable life experience. 'A Scout is thrifty..."
  13. Eagledad

    Regulating Fall Risks and Nature

    Interesting post, thanks. Mrs. Barry and I brought home a new puppy to replace our Australian Shepard we recently lost to old age. My son brought our 2.5 year old granddaughter over to see the new puppy, but she was suddenly distracted by a ladder I left up after installing a ceiling fan. To her dad's (and grand parent's) surprise, she quickly ran strait to the ladder and climbed halfway up before her dad could get close enough to be a safety net. Later, my son said watching his daughter run to the ladder so quickly was the first time he understood his parent's concerns for when he took off to ride his bike down a hill as fast as he could go, or climb up large boulders at the state park. My response, "your daughter hasn't earned the scar under her chin yet", caught him a bit off guard. He paused for a minute, then smiled and asked her to go play with the puppy. In that moment, the puppy was safer. Thanks again T2eagle, I enjoyed the post. Barry
  14. Zebra132

    Membership Removal Procedures Booklet

    @NJCubScouter, this entire incident is getting blown out of proportion! The Council board members have been told not to talk to the Scout or the parent and has removed the parent from all the Council managed Facebook pages. Scout and parent are quietly working on his appeal.
  15. T2Eagle

    Regulating Fall Risks and Nature

    Humans can be terrible at properly assigning risks. The reasons for this are diverse and one of the more fascinating areas of psychology and human cognitive behavior. What we have here is an example of people assessing risk based on the behavior they see in others. If a person sees lots of other people doing something they then assume it's safe, if they see fewer people doing something they then assume it's risky --- even though both assessments are made in the absence of quantitative data. This is how you get foolish ideas like "lots of people climbing on slippery rocks on a cliff means its safe for me to do it" and the equally foolish " lots of people have become reluctant to let their adolescent offspring go unsupervised by adults, so we need a rule that says a patrol of scouts can no longer go anywhere unsupervised by adults." Our proper response as a society is to build institutions that can overcome these instinctual assessments. When it's clear that something is riskier than the group behavior would indicate, we need to put up signs and fences so that we use different cues to assess risk. When a behavior is safe even though undertaken by a few our institutions SHOULD act to overcome our fears not to reinforce them.
  16. Deadline, rule, and his responsibility.
  17. SSScout

    Can you not give it 100%?

    It sounds like your Pack and Den are active, involved, "For the Cubs". That is as it should be. But the Cub Den should be the "Gang" the kid (be they boy or girl) wants to hang out with. Camping is great, gets the kid ready for Boy Scouts, but there should be other stuff for the Cub too. Go to the zoo, go to the museum, the Police Station, the dad's work site, that model Railroad, camp out on a ship (Baltimore Harbor has this), visit a County Maintenance Garage, the State Environmental Protection Agency Lab, a newspaper printing plant, the Bus Transit Garage, anywhere that is DIFFERENT than school. Organize a softball league among the area Cub Packs, go to a minor league game, pro soccer game (call for "Scout Discounts"), University Astronomy Observatory or planetarium. The Pleides meteor shower came by this past weekend, given a dark clear sky, look for those opportunities to lay on the ground and just WATCH. MiF, KiS…..
  18. I have to think that somewhere along the line this scout received some bad information or very bad advice from some adults in his troop. I suspect the fact that the local council supported his appeal shows some indication of that. Unless no one was paying attention, he should have been well aware of the Life scout due date and that having missed that there was little or no chance of getting it waived to become Eagle. But as I tell every scout, and especially every parent, becoming an Eagle scout is a nice accomplishment, but not becoming an Eagle scout is not a sign of lack of accomplishment. ETA, he looks sharp in the uniform, everything where it should be.
  19. The purpose of goals is to provide an encouragement, a shove to learn and achieve and do. Back in my Scout days, I joined a Troop that went places and hiked and camped and did Scout things. The older Scouts (all boys back then, of course) did the planning and dreaming of going places they had heard of or took the suggestions of the adult leaders, who had "been there and done that" themselves to look at the calendar and meet together to decide things. We had parents and grandparents who would take the time to drive us places, sometimes LEAVE us there (!) to come back in few hours or a day or two (!!). We seemed happy to go along, and we earned rank I guess automatically, as we cooked over fires and played with map and compass, getting lost and then "found". Then a young boy joined, whose dad was career Navy, an officer. This dad came to meetings in dress whites. The Scout announced (announced!) that he would be Eagle in so many years. He had done the math (so many months in each rank). WELL.... Us older Scouts ( I counted myself such by then) realized that might make him the first Eagle in the Troop! We decided we couldn't let that happen, nice as he was. So we got together and worked together. Merit Badges. Time in Leadership. I became my Troop's first Eagle, my buddy Don the second, our young challenger was third, late (by his original schedule) about a year. Calendars are important.
  20. I have to strongly disagree with this assessment RS. He broke no rules and missed no deadlines. You imply he did something wrong or did something late that he committed to doing sooner. But neither of those are the case. Sounds to me like he conducted a good service project for his community and achieved a notable rank in scouting. He then apparently followed all the rules in appealing the decision, and in fact the local Council supported his appeal. And in the end he seems to have accepted the final decision with maturity and magnanimity.
  21. Isn't there an approval process before you start? I would the troop or district would say something. At the end of the story her proves he a true scout by saying "I accept the National Council's decision. No regrets"
  22. Being an Eagle is more than checking off requirements on a form. Good judgment and self initiative are vital qualities for achieving anything in life. Many scouts learn early on that a parent or scouter will nag, remind, scold, push, and if necessary, drag them across any goal line. This ultimately hurts the scout, because they'll have to learn some hard lessons at age 18 that they should have gained at 12/13. Too many scouts, of all ranks, have figured out that scouting is adult-directed. They just float along.
  23. Hard, but all too common situation. Troops deal with this all the time. Rules are rules, but I also can sympathize with the scout and the leaders. Kids are young and still learning how to think and prioritize decisions. I'm sad when a clean cut kid wanting to earn Eagle runs into an issue like this. I do wish we had more flexibility. A wise leader once told me she measured things by asking "What does it serve?" I ask that in situations like this. Here's a chance pull a clean-cut well spoken kid into the ranks of Eagle where he can give back to scouting for years to come. I say this as most that become Eagle would give back at one or more times in their life. To turn them away during the appeal will probably result in his giving back to other organizations over his lifetime as his scouting career now ended with a denied appeal. If I was reviewing the appeal, I'd be asking "What happened?" If he had been participating and the date was missed, I probably would approve. If he just came back at the end to get the rank, I'm not sure. Maybe. Maybe not. It really depends.
  24. Per the article he became Life Scout in February and started the project in March.
  25. Article said he became life in Feb and turned 18 in June. Article said he started his project in March and finished in May. Project dates are good.
  26. I am working with a Scout that joined when he was 15 or so. Had been in Cubs, had friends in the troop they told him it was fun, so he joined (we felt good about that) Also he wanted to do some High Adventure. Last summer he went to HA, also 2 summer camps. We sat down at camp and he said he hoped to be a Life Scout. We did some math, looked at dates, and worked out a table of when he had to (last possible date) achieve ranks and he could earn Eagle. He has been diligent and is ahead of the curve, just wrapped up Life. Went to HA this summer and also a summer camp. Nice to have an older youth in camp to serve as a JASM and backstop the camp SPL. Has the POR and has just over 9 months to complete his Eagle requirements. With the leaders we laid out his path, but it is his path. He has to take the initiative. As adults we advise, possibly remind, but at the end of the day, it is the SCOUT who needs to manage his timelines. At the Star BOR's we work into the conversation the 6 months, and not to procrastinate as the calendar is a cruel mistress and the sands of time march along. When the Scout in the article completed Life HE should have looked at the calendar and been aware of the requirements. Got a couple of others that are in the process, but I get radio silence sometimes when I speak with them, get the "yeah I am working on it". Remind them as straight forward as possible that 18th birthday is the deadline
  27. Cambridgeskip

    Regulating Fall Risks and Nature

    We see this in the UK quite a lot as well. Our highest mountain Ben Nevis, modest by your standards (4400 feet), is very easily accessible from the town of Fort William unlike many of the more remote mountains. There is also an easy to access and navigate path to the top which was built in the 19th century to service an old observatory that was built at the top. The combination of the two means that we get many people hiking to the top who simply don't understand the potential dangers. The summit is lost in the cloud typically 300+ days a year and is typically 12-15C colder than the town of Fort William. The result is that moutain rescue are continously coming to the aid of people who go up poorly equiped and not experienced. The point about the cloud is particularly important. To get from the summit back to the path you need to walk on a bearing and take a dog leg to avoid Gardyloo Gully. A few photos should show why you really REALLY don't want to stumble across it unwittingly! Other get cold, wet, get hypothermia, twist ankles without proper boots, you name it it happens. Learning the basics in something like scouts or guides could really save people an awful lot of pain and Fort William mountain rescue team an awful lot of time and money!
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