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  2. shortridge

    Blue & Gold cost

    I’d never heard of charging to attend a B&G, to be honest. My experience has always been a giant potluck in a donated hall with donated placemats; dens do centerpieces and nut/mint cups; pack covers plates, cups, utensils, and napkins. Making it a moneymaker would leave a bad taste in my mouth, frankly. If you need to charge, cover your costs and leave it at that.
  3. John-in-KC

    Methods in Scouting

    This is MY rank order... The Ideals The patrol method The outdoors Leadership development Personal growth Association with adults Advancement The uniform
  4. John-in-KC

    First Women

    As it happens, my home council, Heart of America, appears to be one of the first out of the starting blocks with Arrow women. Tamegonit #147 held a special winter induction
  5. FireStone

    Blue & Gold cost

    What's a common/reasonable fee to charge parents, scouts, and siblings to attend the Blue & Gold dinner? I think my Pack is on the expensive end, but before I mention what we're charging I want to get some unbiased opinions. Let me know what your Pack charges/charged and what you think is reasonable.
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  7. PARENTinSCOUT

    Youth Protection Policy Does Not Prohibit Retaliation

    Yes, I have contacted the relevant people in the district and Council specific to the policy update. Their usual response is nothing, and I assume that it is because they know I am part of the "hot-potato" issue with a troop in their district and they don't want to be near it. It is fair to be concerned that someone like me is seeking attention on a wide policy issue in order to get ahead on a small local conflict. I presented my argument to the Council (council executive) that BSA Youth Protection policy clearly states that reporting process should reflect community standard (i.e. local and state laws). In California where I live, all reporting must be handled confidentially and without duress to the reporter. If reporter conducted him/herself improperly or with malice, that must be handled separately and away from the safety issue of the protected party/child. I believe all 50 states have non-retaliation language in their reporting procedures. If so, then why not BSA? You can't underestimate the value of a policy in a hand of a parent like me when we talk to a leader. They do back down and comply when they are not aware that certain policy exists. This language needs to be in YPT.
  8. jjlash

    Jack Links Fundraiser Partnership with BSA

    I tried the Country Meats a few years ago. Bought a case for myself to see if it would be a good fundraiser for the Troop. I found a few flavors that I really like and a few that were just okay - none were bad. I never did get around to letting the Scouts try to sell some - ended up eating them all myself for lunch and trail snacks. As others have said, the popcorn companies need to have lower cost options even if they need to adjust the size accordingly. When my son was selling, we would open the boxes of microwave popcorn and sell the individual bag for $1. We would also buy a can to put out some as samples.
  9. mrkstvns

    Swamp Base

    Has anybody done the weekend trips to Atchafalaya Swamp Base in Louisiana? (https://www.bsaswampbase.org/) If you've been there, what do you recommend as far as camping? (Tents on the banks of the swamp, or stay in the houseboats?) Any thoughts as to preferred paddling routes?
  10. mrkstvns

    Methods in Scouting

    I would like to hear more about troop HA trips. In my son's troop, all of the HA trips I've seen done over the past 4 years have all been those ones you refer to as "BSA packaged HA". I'd like to educate myself as to more exciting "out of the box" options.
  11. mrkstvns

    Jack Links Fundraiser Partnership with BSA

    Agreed. That's where I think Girl Scouts differ: their cookies are good quality and people know what to expect. Country Meats has ads in about every issue of "Scouting" magazine printed in the past 10 years....or you can see their web site: https://www.countrymeats.com/scouts.aspx I also think it would be very easy for scouts to sell a $1 product. Even the cheapest guy in the world probably has $1 in spare change lying around. On the other hand, that $25 bag of popcorn is going to take some hucksterism to move...
  12. FireStone

    Jack Links Fundraiser Partnership with BSA

    To be fair, Trail's End isn't exactly top-shelf product either. 😂 I hadn't heard about Country Meats. Will have to look in to that one. One of my "beefs" with popcorn is the steep prices of some of the products. $25 for a bag turns a lot of heads when your scouts are trying to snag some sales outside of a supermarket where a bag of popcorn sells inside for $3. $1 product I think would sell really well. A lot of folks who pass by a popcorn table are quite happy to drop a few bucks, even without actually buying something. I think my scouts would do a lot better with a cheaper product. I could imagine a lot of people dropping a $5 bill on the table for a $1 meat stick and saying "keep the change".
  13. oldbuzzard

    Methods in Scouting

    Locally, looking at programs with a large outdoors component, I see two separate differences in outcomes. For our local Loppet program, they have XC skiing, trail running, orienteering, and MTB as focuses. They vastly outperform the Scouts on skill development but are weak on leadership. Though Jesse Diggins' work with the XC ski folks on climate change is positive sign. Scouts is clearly better at leadership. Personal growth will depend. On the other hand our 2 local high adventure Y camps, Menogyn and Widji, both do a great job on leadership and growth. They are on par with NOLS and Outward Bound. The Widji progression exceeds anything Northern Tier offers( https://www.ymcamn.org/camps/camp_widjiwagan/parents/the_widji_progression ). This a huge personal growth and leadership opportunity. The huge benefit Scouts offers is the patrol method. I truly believe that our kids planning their own trips and working the details is more worthwhile regardless of any lesser scope. This same philosophy is why I prefer troop trips to BSA packaged HA. You can get the forming/storming/norming/performing on either type of trip but the patrol method "laboratory of democracy" benefits only in patrols.
  14. Treflienne

    Methods in Scouting

    I would venture that for different kids, the methods differ in importance. Adult association? For the outgoing kid who is already comfortable going up to unfamiliar adults and talking with them -- this method is not so important. For the timid kid, the chance to interact with friendly encouraging adults is invaluable -- to prepare them for when they need to talk to the department head at the high school, or the college interviewer, or . . . The uniform? For some kids, it is no big deal. For the kid (and this may especially important for some girls) who is extremely self-conscious about clothing and worried about not fitting in, having a uniform gives the confidence that she is indeed wearing the right thing and does not need to worry about clothes.
  15. This appears to only relate to employees: "These procedures relate to employee complaints." If this does cover volunteers and parents, then it should probably be referenced in the YPT. Perhaps, but then a policy against retaliation only has value if parents and volunteers know of its existence.
  16. I feel the same way as you do Shortridge. Do we tell a 16 year old scout that has drivers license that they can not drive there self to a merit badge university because the unit cannot supply 2 deep leadership to the event and there parents have to be at work. No we do not. I sure do not want to be the one to tell the scout he cannot attend
  17. fred8033

    Methods in Scouting

    My view is .... Personal growth ---> Introducing new experiences. Stretching comfort zones. Opening eyes to broader, more challenging experiences. Made up example --> Last year, we canoed for an afternoon on mild calm river water. This year we are taking a two day overnight river trip. Next year, we are spending a week canoeing the Lewis and Clark path. Our goal is two years from now to do a white water Colorado river experience. Leadership Development --> We structure the program for the scouts to experiment with leadership and for the adult scouters to back off into the shadows. I absolutely view those as equal to the other six. I guess comes from one's perspective.
  18. The ACTIVITY is the event itself - the summer camp, the camporee, the backpacking trip, the merit badge “college.” The activity is not the program session, the day hike, or the class. As long as we avoid one-on-one contact, we’re fine. We do not need need a female registered leader 21+ sitting in every summer camp program session with a female Scout. Think of it this way: We don’t need a male registered leader 21+ present, so why should female Scouts require special babysitting and chaperoning? If that were the case, every female troop would have to have one female leader for every Scout attend camp just to make sure they can attend sessions. That is patently ridiculous. EDIT: So very sorry about the giant font! I’m really not trying to yell!
  19. RememberSchiff

    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    The Girl Scouts have since announced that (scout) is no longer using the image to sell cookies. https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900056980/jason-mamoa-samoas-this-girl-scout-put-jason-momoas-picture-on-boxes-of-samoa-cookies-and-they-sold-out-like-hotcakes.html FB comment: “Girl Scouts of Colorado still not addressing how it is right what was done. Joke or not... it is still teaching this young lady that copyright infringement is permitted and stealing is ok.” Should the Girl Scouts turn over all money from the Momoas sales to Warner Brothers? Could be a great opportunity to learn the skills of business ethics as mentioned in a 2011 essay Samoas to CEOs: 5 Things Girl Scouts Can Teach Businesses https://www.businessnewsdaily.com/1577-business-lessons-girl-scouts.html
  20. Cambridgeskip

    Mi Amigo 75

    Not really a scouting story but one doing the rounds here that I thought you chaps might be interested in is the Mi Amigo 75th aniversary fly past today over Sheffield and Cambridge this morning. For those who have never heard the story Mi Amigo was a US bomber in the Second World War based in the UK that crashed on its return from a mission over Europe in 1944. The story of what happened though is quite moving. Unable to make it back to its base due to damage it had to make a crash landing. Initially to avoid crashing into local houses in Sheffield the crew attempted to land in a public park. As they approached they spotted a group of young boys playing (or fighting! depending which version you read) and veared away at the last minute, crashing in local woodland. All on board were killed. One of those boys, Tony Foulds, has tended to the memorial to the crew ever since and following a chance encounter with a BBC journalist was able to get a memorial fly past by USAF and RAF organised. Most publicly it went over the site in Sheffield but later this morning I was able to see it from my house passing over the US military cemetery at Maddingley on the edge of Cambridge where some of the crew are burried, which is about 3 miles from me as the crew flies. Full story here. Quite a moving story.
  21. I think there needs to be some acceptance that Eagle projects involve lots of opportunities for one-on-one contact with folks not registered in the BSA. Contact with a district representative while the scout's parent is nearby should be the least of our worries.
  22. Let me ask a question. Is the unit in compliance if the registered adult female leader was in the adult campsite with no youth in that campsite and 2 registered adult male leaders were in the youth campsite over 100 yards away out of sight of the adult campsite instructing a scouting skill. If this is a violation of YP there would be YP violations at every council and district activities such as camporees and summer camp where a registered adult female was not present each camporee event or each merit badge class that had a female youth taking part in the event or class.
  23. mrkstvns

    Methods in Scouting

    WHAT?!?!?! Are you implying that boys would have more fun out in the woods than they would in a classroom ignoring a tedious merit badge workshop led by a boring adult reading to the boys all their requirements that say "tell", "show", "explain" or "describe"???
  24. perdidochas

    Methods in Scouting

    Most of us involved think that the outdoors is fun.
  25. mrkstvns

    Methods in Scouting

    Hmmm. You make a valid point. I agree particularly with regard to positions of responsibility. BSA events like NYLT or NAYLE also exemplify "leadership development" --- even though not all scouts do these "optional" activities.
  26. qwazse

    Methods in Scouting

    I'll push back on that ... Leadership Development (through responsibility, service projects) is a method. Actual leadership (e.g., scout gets his friends to pick up litter, leads a school assembly in the national anthem, calls a buddy out on pushing drugs, etc ...) is the expected outcome. Personal growth as a method is embodied in the Scoutmaster Conference. In fact GBB's handbooks calls it a personal growth conference. The outcome is a young adult who can take is place among other noble adults in the wide world. Most of us would agree that providing the scouts opportunity for responsibility, service, and conferences with caring adults is a linchpin of the program. Other groups have outdoor components, high-minded ideals, uniforms, awards, teams, etc ... But few really strive for leadership and personal growth in the rounded fashion that troop life offers. That said, I see these methods as overlapping (e.g., to advance, you must attend to leadership and personal growth) and can't imagine one outweighing the other.
  27. mrkstvns

    Jack Links Fundraiser Partnership with BSA

    Jack Links....purveyor of the worst-tasting soggy "jerky" in the world. YECH! More interesting, and FAR cheaper, and easier to sell, are the Country Meats beef sticks --- you can find their ads in just about every issue of Scouting magazine. Just $1 each (no need to buy a big box of too many beef sticks). The Country Meats beef sticks are not only an easy, fast sell, but if the unit does it as a fundraiser, they keep 45% of sales (which is better than the 30% they typically keep from popcorn sales, though admittedly, the total payback to scouting is good with popcorn sales....it's just that the majority goes up the organizational hierarchy, not directly to units that serve the boys).
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    • I’d never heard of charging to attend a B&G, to be honest. My experience has always been a giant potluck in a donated hall with donated placemats; dens do centerpieces and nut/mint cups; pack covers plates, cups, utensils, and napkins. Making it a moneymaker would leave a bad taste in my mouth, frankly. If you need to charge, cover your costs and leave it at that.
    • This is MY rank order... The Ideals The patrol method The outdoors Leadership development  Personal growth Association with adults Advancement The uniform
    • As it happens, my home council, Heart of America, appears to be one of the first out of the starting blocks with Arrow women. Tamegonit #147 held a special winter induction  
    • What's a common/reasonable fee to charge parents, scouts, and siblings to attend the Blue & Gold dinner? I think my Pack is on the expensive end, but before I mention what we're charging I want to get some unbiased opinions.  Let me know what your Pack charges/charged and what you think is reasonable. 
    • Yes, I have contacted the relevant people in the district and Council specific to the policy update. Their usual response is nothing, and I assume that it is because they know I am part of the "hot-potato" issue with a troop in their district and they don't want to be near it. It is fair to be concerned that someone like me is seeking attention on a wide policy issue in order to get ahead on a small local conflict. I presented my argument to the Council (council executive) that BSA Youth Protection policy clearly states that reporting process should reflect community standard  (i.e. local and state laws). In California where I live, all reporting must be handled confidentially and without duress to the reporter. If reporter conducted him/herself improperly or with malice, that must be handled separately and away from the safety issue of the protected party/child. I believe all 50 states have non-retaliation language in their reporting procedures. If so, then why not BSA? You can't underestimate the value of a policy in a hand of a parent like me when we talk to a leader. They do back down and comply when they are not aware that certain policy exists. This language needs to be in YPT.    
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