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  • #91
    Originally posted by perdidochas View Post


    Ironically, from what I can tell, the shift in Woodbadge probably worsened the problem. If anything, we would be more in a need for advanced outdoor skill training for our leaders than in the past.
    I don't know, it's kind of hard to tell. I know folks today complain they aren't getting enough of outdoors training, but I'm not sure that the lack of training with the training changes that took place in 2000. The old course was not designed to train scout skills either. It was designed to give experienced Scoutmasters more instruction techniques and leadership skills. The skills sessions of the old course were intended to show different style of teaching, the students were supposed to already know the skills being taught.

    But the problem with the old course is the same problem I can see with the present course, the staffs don’t understand the overall objecitve. I remember listening to the Council WB Course Chairman of the old course complaining that his staffs were focusing too much on teaching scouts skills and not enough of teaching and leadership styles. That was around 1995 and by that time the courses were staffed by a lot of women who empathized with the participants and wanted them to get the training they wanted when they took the course. The result was a lot of troop committees were molding their troop programs identical to their WB course experience. That makes the troop less boy run, not more, so National wisely scraped the course.

    However, I guess the present course is suffering from the same problem. The staffs are still trying to use the course to teach scout skills and leadership when the intention is adult team building and program management. So that in a way does show the need for more outdoor skills training somewhere.

    The problem is we can’t keep sending adults through two weeks’ worth of course so they feel comfortable in their skills. That creates a recruiting and burnout problem. Not everyone is that passionate with scouting.

    Barry

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    • #92
      How does one create an outdoor program for the modern man whose biggest outdoor hurdle in his life is getting from the front door to his car in a rainstorm?

      The current pool of young parents have no clue what an outdoor program is supposed to accomplish. Instead of hiking from one campsite to the next, most parents plan activities from one hotel chain to the next.

      Camping consists of dropping off the RV next to the lake and playing on the beach and fishing the weekend.

      If it doesn't have a motor on it, it isn't boating.

      A tent without bug netting is a ground cloth.

      Air mattresses require a vehicle with a cigarette lighter in it.

      Hiking, biking, and such activities are destinations, not journeys.

      Wood for campfires is purchased at the local gas station.

      And yes, local pizza joints will deliver to the local campground, it the campground doesn't already have that ability along with WIFI, pool, game room and crowded campsites.

      Charcoal is old fashioned, but if used is restricted to the backyard patio. The irony is the use of gas charcoal grills. Haven't figured that one out yet.

      If you have a nice neighborhood, you can always camp in the back yard, but don't lock the back door, the kids need bathroom access. If there are any bugs out there, all bets are off.

      Is it any wonder there are still some in this society that have to try really hard to get away from all this crap?

      Yes, yesterday I spent time in the pouring rain to get out to the egret/heron rookery before the DNR closed it to the public. Like any public was going to make the effort to get to it anyway?

      People, over the past 100 years, have spent an enormous amount of time and money into getting away from it all. That's why we have indoor plumbing, electricity, screens on the windows, insulation, pest control contracts, lawn services, and homes with good roofs. Even the stupid car can't sit outside anymore.

      So, how does all of this fit into Scouting for the 21st Century???

      Stosh

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      • #93
        I think that is an unfair and inaccurate characterization. Yes, we have a few pencilnecks who know practically nothing about the outdoors but they're enthusiastic about learning. But the rest range from single moms who barely have 10 minutes to spare during an average day (and who just don't have time to care about the outdoor program) to well-seasoned young parents who have backpacked thousands of miles, canoed similar distances, and know a heck of a lot more about the outdoors than what you can find in BSA literature....and they decided to have a family.
        I can remember plenty of dads back in the 1960s whose outdoor skills consisted of knowing how to light a cigarette in the wind, who had no trail skills whatsoever, and were astounded by what could be done with a Dutch oven once their sons showed them.
        People ran the gamut back then and they do now as well.

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        • #94
          I loved Wood Badge and it will be an experience I never forget and will Cherish. I also made a ton of new friends, just remember its up to you to make the experience worthwhile,

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          • #95
            Out of my entire WB group, I know of no others who are still in scouting.

            The main reason I'm still around is because I was an outdoorsman long before joining scouts as a Cub and I'll still be long after I wrap it up as a leader. 40 years of working with kids is just a perk to the opportunity to be out in the woods.

            My daughter has informed me I'm responsible for teaching my granddaughter how to hunt, fish and camp. I guess I'll be at it for a while.

            Stosh

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            • #96
              Originally posted by jblake47 View Post
              My daughter has informed me I'm responsible for teaching my granddaughter how to hunt, fish and camp. I guess I'll be at it for a while.
              Stosh

              Man that's awesome !!! congats

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              • #97
                Out of my WB patrol from 1984, two are dead and five are very active in Scouting (one in Mexico. He was an "undocumented alien" and went home. Running a troop in the middle of drug wars is challenging.).

                Out of my WB patrol in 2008, all six are very active, but one (single mother of two sons) sounds like a candidate from burn-out from too much Scouting.

                (Every year, more people go into wilderness. We are just not recruiting enough of them due to a variety of factors -- some beyond BSA 's control, some beyond Scouting's control, and some self-inflicted wounds by BSA and Scouting.)

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