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  • How to start a Crew?

    This summer our troop was approached by 6 youth who wanted to start a crew (half lads and half lasses.) The DE said we couldn’t start a crew, that a crew needed a CO in order to become a reality. (Preferably a bicycle shop of a cycling crew, the rifle range for a shooting crew, etc.) Our CO is willing to sponsor a crew and the DE was told as much. The kids just want to be a “High Adventure-Outdoors Crew” and not dedicated to any specific pursuit.

    The DE has been telling us for two months that she will meet with the Pastor; our CO designated representative, but never gets around to it. School starts soon and the crew has decided to just start meeting anyway, with or without a charter. (I guess they’ll just be an outdoor club for a few months.) Is there anything the committee can do, aside from waiting for the DE who is taking her precious time, to help these kids get the all clear?

  • #2
    Go to the council office, pick up a new unit application form, fill it out. Get registration forms for all youth and adults. Have everyone fill them out. Collect up the money. Take everything back to the council office and give it to the registrar. You are going to have to do that all anyway. You don't need the DE to form a crew. It's helpful to have one to help, but you don't seem to have one.

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    • #3
      It's like we have an evil twin crew!!! My co-advisor collected the paperwork and walked it to council HQ herself, just as Stosh described. No offense to the DE's in the audience, but of the things that hamper the start of new units, pros that think they're doing thier job by gaking more one day to reply to a CO or IH top the list.

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      • #4
        Before you go to the trouble of starting a new unit have a couple of outings....been there done that....our problem has been that the young ladies like the idea not the actual experience. Our crew has folded twice in four years because of it.....the last was because we wouldn't let the couples welllllllll couple....tent together and have a romantic evening by the camp fire.

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        • qwazse
          qwazse commented
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          So insecure you can't even type "the facts".

          That seems to be the cycle I have. It even plays out on an individual level. Seen a scout sister go from being peeved at being too young to join us, to not wanting to join until her friends joined, to being caught up with cheerleading and band, to her mom dropping me a line today asking if it's too late to sign her up for our council camporee. Fortunately, it isn't, and I hope to get a moment at campfire in a couple of weeks to ask her what it would take to make venturing work for her.


          It's really weird. I go from weeks wondering if I even still have a crew to weeks where they come out of the woodwork in dozens with insane plans for some riotous fun! Venturing is a much different animal than two active troops (one BSA, the other GSUSA) under the same roof.

        • baggss
          baggss commented
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          if Two members start dating, one must leave the crew, make this a rule. that way they know before joining up

        • qwazse
          qwazse commented
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          That's ridiculous. First of all the youth make the rules on public displays of affection. That implies that dating couples are part of crew life. Secondly, part of a healthy dating relationship is learning to "turn off" the intimacy switch so that you can feel like part of the group without being "owned" by your partner! Venturing is designed so the couples can hash out the ethics of dating. Thirdly, there is nothing like being in a tandem kayak for a few hours to actually find out how compatible you really are.

          Not allowing dating couples just to avoid adults like BD having to lay down the law about sleeping arrangements is a little extreme.

          (By the way, baggss, welcome to the forums!)

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        Typed that one sitting in a kybo while camping with the troop this weekend.......smart phones are great.....the small screen doesn't do that good with editing.

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        • #6
          I'm interested in following this conversation. I'm thinking forward that it might be in my future to spin off a crew for my CO..... just maybe.
          I like the high adventure idea.... seems like it would be a lot more fun for the kids.
          and as the father of two girls I'm intrigued at the idea of letting girls in. My middle daughter is starting with GS this year, but I'm just not seeing that pan out in the long run. She's sporty, and I think down the road she might get something out of an outdoor program.

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          • Basementdweller
            Basementdweller commented
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            It isn't family scouting, so have mom stay at home.

            This is where many leaders fail. It becomes a couple of families Cub Scout style.

          • scoutergipper
            scoutergipper commented
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            Can't do that if you have a co-ed Crew. Have to have both genders of Adults along if both are along in the Crew.

        • #7
          You need mom, most female advisors are moms, just as most male sdvisors are dads. Sometimes thats the only way the crew can get up and running is with whole familys my crew started with 1 young lady and both parents ( with a son in a troop) dad is registered with troop 2 sisters and mom ( brother in troop) mom is registerd with troop 2 brothers and dad ( oldest is bsa dropout, other is still active) all adults of the membership are registered with the crew as either associate advisor, committe chair, or committee member. You need family units to start. And as to no dating, Not my idea, my crew picked that one out from a dozen sets of bylaws from the net as a must-have.

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          • baggss
            baggss commented
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            excuse the typing... very tiny keyboard...

          • qwazse
            qwazse commented
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            Well then, don't tell them that I thought their by-law was ridiculous! And, if any of baggss's youth are reading this page, I'm sorry if I sounded judgmental!

            But,do review your by-laws every year or so. Younger youth tend to be overly strict about public displays of affection, and older youth can be overly permissive. The challenge is to find that balance where everyone can respect one another.

        • #8
          I disagree baggss.

          Yes Yes I am familiar with the crew rules and Youth Protection. What I disagree with is it becoming a family outdoor adventure. That was never the intent of Venturing.

          So what we have is Venturing becoming the new Cub Scouting????? Family camping and all...... Not a good thing.

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          • baggss
            baggss commented
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            Actually, venturing is the Old boy scouting, it seems that atleast around here troops are weblos threes, way too many helecopter adults keeping an eye on their kid so as not lose sight of their race to eagle.
            as to "family outdoor adventur"...So scoutmasters should not have sons in the troop, nor ASMs, Nor any committe members, nor should they be allowed on campouts?. So family members should not be recruited as leadership?

          • baggss
            baggss commented
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            Actually, it seems the intent of scouting nowdays is to generate income for the districts, scouting is a business now and the bean counters run it anyway. The just pay lip service to "youth led" ideals, yada yada. At least parents that are involved with their scouts, even the helicopter ones, are involved with their kids.

          • Pack18Alex
            Pack18Alex commented
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            We had a Venture Crew come out and teach some Scout Craft to our Cub Scouts and Girl Scouts. It was great for all involved.

            I was chatting with the advisor, and we were talking about how, in some ways, Venturing is more like Cub Scouts. Not the parental involvement, it's WAY less, but in the outings.

            In Cub Scouting, most of our campouts are connected to an activity, we don't camp to camp. We do one hiking/camping trip/year, and the rest are more activity, oriented (Camporee, Cuboree, etc). At the Venture level, you're camping for an activity. Sure it's high adventure and not a youth program, but it's still "camping to go canoeing in the morning" you're not camping to learn to tie knots and practice camping.

            The Boy Scout program is the only one where the camping itself is the focus. Also, Venturing/Cub Scouts are similar in that the meat of the program is in meetings, and the outings are raw fun. In the Boy Scout program, it seems that the meetings are mostly to learn the basics, but the real learning is the camping itself.

            Just my observation.

        • #9
          I have run youth programs for 40+ years and never needed bylaws in any of them, and that includes Cub, Boy, Exploring and Venturing. The Venture Crew "went through the motions" as prescribed by setting up the crew and then seemed to have lost them. I never saw a copy of it ever since they first adopted it 15+ years ago.

          Stosh

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          • #10
            My crew presidents had the foresight to not waste a meeting on by-laws.
            I did explain them once, and then on several occasions where they were a little confused about procedural issues I would reply with some snark, "Pity someone didn't write down how we should operate in our special case ..."

            But overall, they did fine without them.

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            • #11
              We just did this - opening opportunities for our older Scouts so they don't feel they're are stuck as "babysitters" or kept from doing fun things by a younger Troop. Also going co-ed as we will be the only one in the District. Recruitment's slow, but we'll get there.

              It's funny how people have such different DE experiences. Ours was over the moon about the new Crew and attended a couple of meetings in a single week getting all the paperwork filled out.

              Oh, and we signed up a female adult who's not part of the Troop and won't have a Scout or daughter in the Crew so we're covered from that angle.

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              • qwazse
                qwazse commented
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                Sounds like your DE has learned that most crew start-ups need a lot of immediate attention. Not everyone gets that.

              • Basementdweller
                Basementdweller commented
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                He is more focused on his review score for starting a new unit

              • scoutergipper
                scoutergipper commented
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                I hope you're not teaching your Scouts to be so cynical
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