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  • Basementdweller
    started a topic SPL issues

    SPL issues

    Well my SPL has been in his position for nearly 4 months now and has asked for an Smc for advancement. Let's just say his performance has been really weak. Missed plc's and failure to plan upcoming outings...... less than prepared for the meetings......heck he can't even tell you what the next out is going to be..... He is aware thoughts on his performance and has a improvement plan......He has yet to implement anything we have talked about.

    I have tried to train the lad....met with him weekly to plan next weeks meeting......still nothing. Let's just say I am not happy with the performance and much less happy regarding his request for a smc.

    I don't see any option. other than meet with him and pass him on to the bor and give the cc a heads up on my thought..... To me he has not fulfilled the por in a reasonable manner So to the group......whether it is laziness.....lack of Interest or parent driven......what have you done with this scout??????
    Last edited by Basementdweller; 06-16-2013, 03:39 PM. Reason: Corrected Paragraph spacing from phone post

  • Scouter99
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    Our troop has a lot of very special snowflakes, and their parents (for the most part) aren't interested in hearing bad news like "your son hasn't done jack squat despite repeated interventions, we're not signing him off." It's very much a class/economic thing. BD's scout parents are a lot different than my scout parents.

  • Eagledad
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    Nine out of ten parents want to work with the scoutmasters, expecially with their sons behaviors, or misbehaviors. I found that most SMs want to go it alone thinking they have something special that parents don't have. And maybe the title of Scoutmaster does give some extra power, but we only see these kids a couple hours a week on average, the parent a lot more. So I worked with the parents as a team working together to build a man. I hid nothing from the parents and usually kept them up to date on their son's performance in the troop. In fact while the scouts are usually loading or unloading their gear for camp, I walked around bragging to parents about their son. Usually they take bad news pretty well when they get good news most of the time. Base did very well. Barry

  • Basementdweller
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    Well I spoke with him probably 3 times a day about things he missed or met with him after the spl meeting so he could regurgitate what was said or asked...I asked him 4 times a day about fire chart and getting the troop flag up....

    So he knew he wasn't doing the job.....and frankly at the end of the week he was simply done with it.

  • Scouter99
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    It's great that mom is on board; I would generally have expected her to smack the SM in the back of the head.

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  • qwazse
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    I think at some point you need to tell the Mom that advancement is only one method of scouting!

    The fact that he said "no" on his own does say something about the him. Now a lot of times I do get kids who are overly self-critical. They may make too many goals for themselves, or they may think that once they hold that patch their rough edges will magically disappear. But regardless, they were able to say something for themselves.

  • Basementdweller
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    Well, gotta laugh.

    SPL epic fail at summer camp. Missed breakfast twice.....didn't sign us up for flags or meal prayer, didn't sign us up for campfire skit.....Just had a meeting with him and mom and asked him if he provided any leadership....to my surprise he said no...mom smacked him in the back of the head.....bout spit my coffee all over the table.

    Mom wanted to know what happened....I asked scout to explain.....Well, I coached him all week about what needed to happen....He started with he slept thru breakfast....moms face got reder, he then mentioned not signing us up for skits, prayer and flags......We failed camp inspection because he did not put up the fire chart....The duty rosters were never completed...... For passing the camp inspection the PD gave entire troops small monkey fists. That really endeared him to the troop.

    Mom looked me dead in the eye and asked what I wanted to do......Well, since he did not provide leadership for the last 6 months it will not be recorded. He can run for election again in a couple of months....

    The troop was mad enough I doubt he will get re elected.
    Last edited by Basementdweller; 07-01-2013, 06:58 PM. Reason: premature posting

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  • koolaidman
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    Thank you for the link. It is always good to have an article like this (or three) up your sleeve to help explain things to "helpful" adults.

  • jblake47
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    I needed to have a magazine tell me something that I've known all along?????

  • Scouter99
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    Originally posted by Kudu View Post
    In Hillcourt's "Real" Patrol Method, the PATROL Leaders elect the SPL.
    In Leadership Development's Troop Method, the TROOP elects the SPL.
    In the Real Patrol Method, the PATROL Leaders always outnumber the SPL in the PATROL Leader's Council.
    In the Troop Method the TROOP SPL's patronage positions, such as the TROOP ASPLs and the TROOP Guides, can vote against the Patrol Leaders.
    Maybe the word "Troop" has been Program Neutered out of NYLT, like the Patrol Leaders were neutered out of the "Patrol Method" presentation of Scoutmaster-specific training?
    Yours at 300 feet,
    Kudu
    http://kudu.net/
    Here's your chance to unload, Scouting Magazine just admonished us all that if our troop isn't working, it's because we aren't using the Patrol Method: http://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/201...-death-spiral/

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  • qwazse
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    Okay, maybe I'm biased. But, at a certain point you have to prepare a kid to count positives. Sure, he did precious little, but always bring him to what he DID accomplish. Who knows? That one troop tradition might outlast all of that management training we cherish so highly.

    Here's hoping at least one more "yes" is on the checklist in the next few weeks.

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  • qwazse
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    Originally posted by Basementdweller View Post
    Let me see..... His contribution to the troop meeting is British Bull Dog. ...
    Then he contributed! (Can you guess my favorite scouting game?)

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  • Scouter99
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    Originally posted by Basementdweller View Post
    I guess that is the issue....

    Is he completely lost and comes a crossed uninterested.....Or doesn't he care?????? that is the million dollar question.

    Well tonight I sat down with the spl duties out of the book and asked him if he honestly did the duties one at a time......HIs answer was no to most.......I suggested we wait on the smc and bor till those answers were yes's.
    If that worked, then run with it, but I agreed with your initial conclusion that you haven't got any good option except to give it to him. The Guide to Advancement is clear that to deny him credit, you must have sat him down months ago, told him the problems, and given him a clear path to success. (This isn't an endorsement of the policy, it's simply how it is.)
    You say you're 4 months in; If you do a 6-month term, and if I were you, your meeting of 6/18 is your "intervention" and the next 2 months are his chance to make good or else not get credit come August.

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  • jr56
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    I feel you did a good job with him. Hope things get better.

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  • MattR
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    Well, try waiting another week
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