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  • #46
    I'm not looking for an answer, just trying to understand where your thought process are coming from. We disagree, nothing more. I think there is absolutely a place and time for separating the genders. I don't hang with my wife and her girlfriends when they go out. My buddies wives don't attend our Boy's Nights Out. We all need that time apart. I think it's socially healthy. I'm not convinced that a full homogenizing of society is the right answer.


    • #47

      We do disagree, and that's good. Disagreement can produce discussion the leads to an examination of not only our positions on issues, but the viability of the logic behind the positions, and bring to light variables we may not have thought of.

      Structured group activities, designed to educate and/or cause personal development, are distinguishable from voluntary social interaction. In short, co-ed school, sport, or scout programs, in no way parallel a girls, or guys, night out.


      • #48
        That should make football really interesting. Linewomen. Olympics sure would be boring.


        • #49
          There're people in each gender of varied physical and metal abilities. I've met a few ladies that would make good linebackers, and many that would make fantastic quarterbacks. To each their on place, a place determined by skill, talent, and ability, not gender.


          • #50
            Originally posted by King Ding Dong View Post
            BD I am a little confused about the timeline here. On Monday the Crew was called into the office by I assume the Camp Director then on Tuesday night there were some assignations? Neutral territory or the crews campsite? Does seem outrageous only the boys were punished. Sent home for out past lights out seems a bit extreme especially considering these women are at least 14. I know your troop is the "wrong" color, these women didn't happen to be the "right" color ?

            My boys were not involved and we had zero issue with ethnicity this year.


            • #51
              Originally posted by gsdad View Post
              If boys are that horned up after being away from girls for a week, they have some serious issues. The girls in the crew should have adhered to the camp dress code, the leaders who made those comments need to get their heads out of their backsides. If it can be done on a scale as big as the Jamboree, it can be done locally.

              Didn't your daughter return from the jambo with a new boyfriend......How many youth were sent home for encounters in the woods??? I heard a number, but won't repeat it as I do not have first hand knowledge.

              Evidently you haven't been around 13-15 year old boys much.......they are wound up by nature.


              • #52
                Yes she did, and she adhered to the dress code of scout shorts and t-shirts. That "relationship" lasted for two weeks from the Jambo. Being two states away doused the fires of love rather quickly.

                I coach 16yo girls in softball, I see the boys around the field like hyenas on a carcass. I was also a 13-15yo boy once and remember it didn't take much to wind me up.

                If there is a dress code it should be enforced. The young women at all of the Venturing outings I've attended adhere to the dress code.

                Last edited by gsdad; 10-16-2014, 09:05 AM.


                • #53
                  This is where you SM's need to have a talk with your boys about proper behavior. As a Venturing Advisor for over 14 years I can tell you that no Venturing girl (14-18) is even slightly interested in a boy scout 11-14 years old. We are not the Prude Scouts of America so no need making a mountain out of a mole hill. As long as the girls are not running around in their underwear or nothing at all this really is a non issue.