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    The summer camp we are going to has the standard 2 person canvas platform tents. We are bringing an odd number of scouts with us to camp. Can one scout tent alone? My plan was to allow the Senior Patrol Leader to have his own tent, but I've had another adult say scouts have to be 2 to a tent. I looked through the Guide to Safe Scouting and I couldn't find anything in writing that says the minimum number of scouts in a tent is two.

  • #2
    I guess one boy just has to stay home. Not one of 19 scouts slept in the tents the other week, they all slept outside, by choice. I have not seen any National rule on two to tent either. I think the camp may have a rule that if you have 13 scouts they are not going to provide your troop with 13 tents. Sometimes adults just can't think rationally, happens to scouts also. So what is this adults plan ? Place the odd man out in a tent with an adult ? Violate the 30 square foot requirement and shove three in a tent ? Moron. Get him out of your troop and don't waste any more of your time with him.

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    • infoscouter
      infoscouter commented
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      The camping standard which referenced a minimum number of square feet is apparently no longer in force. I just had this discussion on another list, and took the opportunity to look at the newest standards: http://www.scouting.org/filestore/ou...df/430-056.pdf. There is no reference to size of tents.

    • Khaliela
      Khaliela commented
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      KDD:
      Last year at Melita we used our backpacking tents because their camp does not supply tents. Our tents are 3.5X6 and sleeps 2 if they put their gear under the rain fly. Camp Staff told us if we put up a dining fly all would be well, so that's what we did.

      Cots??? Scouts do not use cots. LOL! (At least not in our troop.)
      Last edited by Khaliela; 06-28-2013, 02:41 PM.

    • King Ding Dong
      King Ding Dong commented
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      Our troop does not use cots except at summer camp. They are provided at most camps. It may have to do with the relatively poor condition of the wall tents and inches per hour rate in which it can rain in our area and the topography of the camp sites. When it rains 2 inches per hour with already saturated soil it is going to pool.

      It would not be uncommon for the water to overlap the floorboards soaking all the gear. Even without cots the size of wall tents the camps I have seen it would be extremely difficult to fit three boys in one. We have some fit twin 16 year olds that are built like trucks. Might me able to get away with it some of the younger boys but then no place for the gear. No rain flys for the wall tents.

      This is a big country with diverse climates. Scouts in Arizona are going to camp differently than those in Washington, Alaska, Florida or Ohio or Southern California. It serves no purpose to ridicule Scouts for taking appropriate actions in the environment they will be in.

  • #3
    allowing the spl to tent alone is something some of my troops have done. gives him some extra space to plan out and rest from doing his job.

    there is certainly nothing wrong at all with letting scouts camp by themselves. if everyone wants to solo tent, and you have enough extras just let them do it.

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    • #4
      we had an odd number for all but 2 nights of camp as we had a new scout who was not ready for a full week come up for last 2 nights. He said he would prefer to tent with our SPL so he got to tent alone. Before we got him to attend it was going to be a scout that does have trouble with getting cranky from not enough sleep and needs to have someone that does not talk a lot at night to make sure he gets rest. So he ended up pairing off with who the SPL was going to originally tent with who is also a 17 year old scout and knew about him needing sleep from many campouts.

      At OA call-out we realized all the OA boys were paired up with someone who was not so for that 1 night the boys just pulled their sleeping bag onto the others cot and paired up and we had one boy that bunked with his dad that night.

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      • #5
        I know of no rule that says a boy can't have his own quarters/tent. I have always used the formula there are X number of tents and X number of boys going on the trip. I let them do the math, it's really not my problem. Every trip I've ever taken over the many years of scouting, I have never had a problem with it. Usually what I find is the boys double up on backpacking so they both don't need to carry a tent, and other activities they buddy up so that they have only one tent to dry out if it rains, etc. If left alone, they seem to figure it out on their own terms. At summer camp where they used wall tents they had to set up on their own, one patrol put up 3 wall tents end-to-end and all 8 boys slept in it. It was kinda cool.

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        • #6
          While it's not a G2SS rule, our Troop rule is that Scouts have to be at least Star in order to tent alone. My oldest son loves it, and unless it's cold out (or summer camp) he tents alone. My youngest hates the idea, and although he's a Star, he would never tent alone given a choice.

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          • jblake47
            jblake47 commented
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            There's a lot to be said about letting the boys decide what they want to do. As long as there are resources to handle it, go for it.

          • King Ding Dong
            King Ding Dong commented
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            I have seen no rule against, but have heard that it is good to have the scouts at least 2 to a tent. Our troop allows solo, but ps with personal tents not troop. I have seen one or two go solo and they are also special needs so it probably best. Our troop also lets 3rd years use hammocks, though they tend to stay very close if possible.

            I read on another thread some camps like Philmont do not allow solo tenting. Something about bears more attracted to a solo tent. Not sure how he knows how many are inside, but maybe he can smell them. So I suppose in bear country it is a safety issue. I would always check local regulations and ranger advise.

            OA makes them sleep alone, correct ?

        • #7
          Why not throw 3 boys in one tent? If your camp uses the big green canvas tents there is plent of room and I'm sure you've got a set of boys who would be happy to be the Three Musketeers!

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          • King Ding Dong
            King Ding Dong commented
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            There is not a standard size wall tent. That may work for the ones you use. That will not work in the ones two of the camps have near us.

            Last July it never got below 90 at night. If you cram the boys shoulder to shoulder like that, they will never come back.

        • #8
          Khaliela, there is no room for 3 cots in a standard, canvas tent used by summer camps. I

          let the SPL have a tent to himself.

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          • jblake47
            jblake47 commented
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            Cots? We don't need no steenking cots! Like I said, 3 tents end to end and 8 boys, but not cots.

            I remember there were even bigger wall tents used by my scout troop as a kid that a couple of patrols used them to house the whole patrol - 8 boys one tent. It was kinda fun, but not all the time..

          • Eagle92
            Eagle92 commented
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            Jblake,

            Most summer camps provide cots nowadays. I don't use one except there.

            In regards to 8 boys in 3 tents end to end, try 8 boys in a 4 man tent. Big Grin

            I remember those old wall tents. My troop had 3 in storage with no floors and built in netting. If your patrol damaged the newer tents, you got stuck in one of those.

            I've never tried it, but it was a regular thing with the German scouts. Not only would they sleep as a patrol in them, they would cook in them too.

        • #9
          Originally posted by pbmartin70 View Post
          The summer camp we are going to has the standard 2 person canvas platform tents. We are bringing an odd number of scouts with us to camp. Can one scout tent alone? My plan was to allow the Senior Patrol Leader to have his own tent, but I've had another adult say scouts have to be 2 to a tent. I looked through the Guide to Safe Scouting and I couldn't find anything in writing that says the minimum number of scouts in a tent is two.
          This is the part of adult service that I honestly hate. Stick a guy in a uniform and suddenly every idiotic notion that pops into his head is a "BSA rule." Yes, a scout can tent alone. Tell the guy you'd be happy for him to show you the rule in the GtSS or any other BSA rulebook; he's the goofball, onus is on him. If it's a "troop rule" then it's not a rule.
          Last edited by Scouter99; 06-30-2013, 11:13 PM.

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          • Basementdweller
            Basementdweller commented
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            Sure it is a rule.....It is a troop rule...which can be enforced at the troop level.......

            If a Troop adult isn't comfortable with the boys tenting alone, sure he can require them to tent together.

            My point is this is a ridiculous discussion.....

        • #10
          We once had a member here a few years back that argued the buddy system extended to tenting and that you can't let a boy tent alone. He couldn't really prove his belief beyond what he considered a logical extension of the buddy plan. The first troop I was associated with didn't have the ability to provide tents. A tent was usually one of the items they received for Christmas or a birthday. We never denied a boy the ability to use HIS tent that he was so proud of. If they wanted to buddy up, more power to them.

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          • #11
            "My point is this is a ridiculous discussion..... "

            DING! Correct answer.

            This is Boy Scouts. Why are the adults even paying attention to this?. Our guys much prefer to sleep under the stars in hammocks, weather permitting. Everyone still has a tent for storing gear, changing clothes and bad weather, but I couldn't care less. My only concern is with the new Scouts. I've had little guys freak out when they learn their tent mate is sleeping with the gang in a hammock and he's stuck in the big, scary tent alone. My only rule/request is the new guys pair up with another guy who has the same plans for sleeping in a tent or hammock.

            Last week was a bit odd in that it seemed like the guys were changing tents and tent mates all week. I think it was a function of the rainy weather and different guys willing to take chances with the rain. Still, I don't care. If you're somewhere in the campsite by taps, I'm okay with it.

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            • #12
              At this past summer camp, we had five scouts, and did not know how to decide on who should tent alone. (cabin tents designed for two cots.) (Yes, very small troop, sigh.) The boys came up with the unique solution of moving two tents together and tying the openings up so that it was a long cabin tent. Three boys in that, and two in a standard cabin tent. I liked it. We had plenty of unused tents in our campsite. The boys had it set up before I knew they had solved the problem. Boy led solutions are good for me.

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              • Basementdweller
                Basementdweller commented
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                Our guys did that a couple of years ago and the camp ranger got is pantys in a wad about it....

              • 5yearscouter
                5yearscouter commented
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                yeah I could see our camp rangers getting cross about moving tents around too. They'd need a LOT of reassurance that the scouts would put everything back how they found it at the end of the week.

            • #13
              For older cub scouts[Webelos age] I don't like them tenting alone because they get scared in the night and need the buddy system so they have someone to be scared with. for boy scouts, sometimes the newest youngest guys should be advised to always tent with someone for the same reason, especially their first summer camp away from mom and dad. But for all the rest, let them figure it out.

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