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  • How was your Summer Camp?

    Facilities: Excellent.
    Mess Hall, Showers, Campsite, Amphitheater, instructional Shelters, all in good shape or new.
    SM lounge: AC, WIFI, tables, rocking chairs, quiet. Mediocre coffee.
    Waterfront: good equipment and staff, but the lake is a muddy pond!

    Food:
    C the first two days, but it got better.
    SM Shoe Leather Dinner - not a good sales pitch for the camp. Can't justify money for a decent piece of beef? Cook chicken!

    Staff:
    Lower level instructors: good enthusiasm, though not necessarily expert in their field. Followed the MB books very well.
    Camp Director and Program Director - Good attitude and knowledgeable.
    Mid-level Staffers: 90% were arrogant prima donnas with little or no justification for their snotty attitudes. Very poor examples of what is supposed to be the cream of the scouting program.

    Program:
    Instruction - A
    Entertainment value of Campfire programs - C
    Formations - F The adults made a game of compiling the time wasted. As SM, it was hard for me to justify to my boys why they needed to attend formations 3 times a day when so little happened that really justified the walk and the time. (We did have the second meal time; so we'd go to formation for announcements, etc, and then be dismissed in a time wasting manner to go back to camp for 45 minutes.)

    How was your camp?

  • #2
    Facilities A Food F Coffee: FFF. It was undrinkable. Tasted more like green tea. Made my own. Scoutmaster Lounge: never went there, that's for wimps. MB Counselors: A+ to F- one turd continued to play cards when his area director told him to teach his class. Gotta love cell phone cameras. The next day there was a major attitude change. Gnats: F. I hate gnats Camp Director: Good except he just got his beads so he had to give the same old BP, Zulus, Boer War Speech. Please not again. Just sing the Announcements song a few times and call it a day. Troop Guides : A Scheduling: F. Sometimes you just have to say no. 20 kids cannot take the Swimming MB from one counselor at a time. If you don't send in your MB selections early, you might not get what you want. That's called Life. Soft serve: A Formation: this is part of the BSA I just don't get. Line 20 kids up in a row. Put on a skit in front of them so they can't see it. Expect them to behave when they can't see or hear anything. Such a waste.

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    • King Ding Dong
      King Ding Dong commented
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      VBulletin: F

    • JoeBob
      JoeBob commented
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      "Scoutmaster Lounge: never went there, that's for wimps."
      Disagree. SM lounge is for those who can't be away from work for a whole week, but can manage it if they have a few hours on the net taking care of business and eMail. Should I have not gone to camp at all?

      "Formation: this is part of the BSA I just don't get. Line 20 kids up in a row. Put on a skit in front of them so they can't see it. Expect them to behave when they can't see or hear anything."
      I'm with you on this one. Long silly routines that can't be seen. Intentionally time wasting "Random......... and senseless.......... quips!" We timed over five minutes of dead air in one 25 minute formation. Mostly microphone transfers to the the next speaker. Like they don't know who's next and wait for them to walk from the far end of the formation to speak their two lines? Respect our time.

    • King Ding Dong
      King Ding Dong commented
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      Just teasing you JoeBob. I went the admin building a couple of times for wifi and one of our leaders had to check in with an online course a few times.

      Our formations were not as bad as yours. 15 minutes total but the first 5 was wasted with is standing around in the hot sun waiting for the Staff to march down the road. Annoying after a long day in the heat, being hungry and knowing all that was for dinner was sloppy joes and that same iceburg lettuce and canned tomato salad.

      I think it would have been better if we had the troop line up by height with the youngest out front instead of the NSP in the back getting restless. That way the older scouts could have kept them in line instead of the adults. That SPL thinks he needs to be front and center.

      We had a troop from Tennessee that prepared pulled pork for the whole camp one night. Very Scouting of them and a much appreciated break from the high simple carb crap the camp served. They must have had a trailered pit with them.

      Camp next year will be patrol cooking, but the menu is not much better. I have a Bradley electric smoker that makes great smoked meats and they have a camping propane model for about $100 that allegedly works well in low winds. The problem is I couldn't feed the whole troop with it. Maybe I will just cook up a mess of ribs before camp next year and get some dry ice. Use the smoker to make a ton of atomic buffalo turds.

      My dream is to have a pig roast LBJ style, but that is not likely LNT compliant. Would be a great experience for the boys.

  • #3
    Boys got in a fight with the new SM when he told them to sit down and shut up. Lack of respect on both sides, but started when SM told the ASMs they couldn't talk to the boys unless it was health and safety issue and any non ASM adults the boys should ignore if they talk to them because this is a boy led troop. [we always have a couple extra adults drive scouts to camp, and when camp is out of state they stay for the week instead of going home and coming back ]

    So then the Scout got caught up in the scouts ignoring all ASMs and other adults and they started ignoring the SM. yeah that didn't go over well but I think SM should have known better than to give teenage boys permission to ignore adults, they are usually pretty good at that already.


    The report is the camp itself was a very very nice camp. usual things need improvement/repair but there is never enough $. Camp is huge and very spread out. Camp recommends bringing bikes for a reason, scouts who didn't bring bikes complained. some adults complained that they never saw any adult program/area directors, youth reported the adults just didn't recognize an adult 18-21 ish program/area director when they saw one.


    The night horsemanship sucked because it was cleaning stalls and feeding horses, and then sleeping out by the barn. In comparison the Night shooting was great because it was night shooting and then sleeping out by the range. And night fishing was similar, fishing and sleeping out by the lake.

    ATV and Pistol pilot programs were a huge hit. They should have advised the ATV scouts to bring long sleeved shirts and dust masks. My oldest is still blowing out brown boogers.

    Food wasn't bad but the amount served wasn't enough, so the scouts AND adults were hitting up the PBJ bar at lunch and dinner.
    That wasn't so nice for the scout allergic to peanut butter cause then he couldn't be around anyone who had peanut butter for a while.


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    • gsdad
      gsdad commented
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      What camp was that?

    • 5yearscouter
      5yearscouter commented
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      gsdad,
      It was Camp Mataguay in California

    • gsdad
      gsdad commented
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      I've never heard of a camp encouraging Scouts to bring bikes. I like it.

  • #4
    Leaving this coming Sunday! Been there once before, 2009. Everything about the camp was excellent, especially the campfire programs. Only shortfall was the way the mess hall was set up... the food was good and plentiful, but the logistics of it was a PITA. Excited about going back with son #2!

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    • King Ding Dong
      King Ding Dong commented
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      Clerk at the scout shop told me how great the food was at this out of council camp. I am now really scared of going to our council camp next year. Scout Spirit will be a challenge next time I have to buy awards.

    • King Ding Dong
      King Ding Dong commented
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      Clerk at the scout shop told me how great the food was at this out of council camp. I am now really scared of going to our council camp next year. Scout Spirit will be a challenge next time I have to buy awards.

  • #5
    Never been to a camp that had a scout master lounge.....AC?????? I conducted business at our campsite picnic table...brought a hotspot with me. Car battery and solar panels all was good.

    The camp continues to improve.....No troops had Gators or golf carts this year...Food took a step backward.....CD and PD were both excellent.....

    SPL was being a knucklehead.

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    • #6
      We had a great summer camp except for the dining hall.

      I'm beginning to think the best bet is to do patrol meals, or since we don't have enough time for the boys to cook since it's scheduled for dining hall I'd be willing to cook 3 meals a day for the group rather than put up with the dining hall mess. Our camp went to cafeteria style last year and continued it this year. I'm sorry but an 11 year old little boy and a 17 year old boy do not need the same amount of food. The 2 17 year olds kept going over to the younger boys and cleaning up their plates! And this year they went to individual packets of peanut butter and kept running out so we started taking our own jar. And I know eggs are cheap, but every single breakfast is a little much.

      Programs and merit badges were great. The boys said the skits this year they'd never ever seen many before which is incredible since 1 of the 17 year olds has been going since he was in cub scouts... I don't attend the stage shows and can barely do the dining hall due to anxiety in large crowds, but our troop works it out really well.

      Probably the only down side was that they got new rifles (normally a good thing) but they had no scopes just iron sites. Had 2 of the scouts that are hunters not qualify because they kept getting just 1 shot out of the required size. But working with local shooting range to sign up as councilors as they are willing to do the qualifying make-ups at any time a scout comes in with parent

      Boys got along great and even got my "I don't want to go without mom or dad" scout to come up for the last 2 nights and he had no issues so looking forward to getting him there for a full week next year plus a bunch more campouts before then!

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      • gsdad
        gsdad commented
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        Hunters should be able to hit their mark with iron sights.

      • jblake47
        jblake47 commented
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        I have hunted my entire life and never owned a gun with a scope. My record of one deer, one shot still holds true after 40+ years. The only time I ever shot a deer with a borrowed scoped rifle, I turned the gun on it's side and sighted down the barrel with no sights and still got my deer, the deer was too close to find in the scope.

        There's always a ton of problems at camp. A resourceful scout will figure out ways around it. If the mess hall sucks, go to a camp that doesn't have one. If the food is poor, bring your own. Over the years I have had to deal with all these issues and each time the boys made adjustments and things got better and the camp is just as "poor" as when we started.

        If the MB or NSP programs are poor, skip them and do your own. You paid to be in the woods. Some of my best experiences with summer camp had nothing to do with the camp or their program. We had one boy one year taking astronomy MB. He had to go out and watch the sky for so many hours. So, we took the whole troop, grabbed sleeping bags, the sky was clear and we laid out there counting satellites, INCLUDING finding the international space station and accompanying supply ship that had disconnected a few hours earlier, fly-by in tandem. We found tons of constellations, and did not get one bit of "credit" towards any MB except the one boy doing the class.

        We overslept in the morning, but the boys got up and patrol cooked in camp before heading out for whatever it was they wanted to do as a patrol for the day. The key being: "Whatever they wanted to do AS A PATROL for the day."

        Some of the better ideas they had were an orienteering course, set up, and ran on their own, shooting competition amongst the patrol members at the open shoot time, hike to explore the camp the first time they went there, sail boat and canoe races on the lake, fishing contest followed by a fillet and cooking competition, service project for the camp, and yes, the boys figured out how to make a pretty good desert in a fry pan using cobbler ingredients, etc.

        The best camp site I ever saw was when the boys put the four tents such that with the dining fly, they could go from tent to tent without getting wet in a downpour.

        We drove the camp staff nuts many times, but they always came through when the boys asked, and the boys had a blast!

    • #7
      Mostly A or B. Mainly because we do patrol cooking and skip morning formation. No apologies to anyone. The boys know the facilities, they choose how the troop takes advantage of them. One MB problem was that a few eagle-required classes got flooded with first years who weren't prepared to work on requirements, that really annoyed our boys on days 1 & 2. Nearest WIFI is a 20 minute drive off reservation. Not sure if that counts as a plus or minus. Most of our boys have 3G plans so it didn't phase them.

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      • Basementdweller
        Basementdweller commented
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        KDD getting the merit badge is fine.....

        Please read what the program is about.....One is association with adults you don't know.

        Again there was a fellow on here about a year ago....Who did exactly what you describe....Video taped his son in his pool at home passing the BSA swimming test....
        There is no way of knowing if the lad did it legitimately...If you can afford a pool you can certainly buy editing software to change the video to show what ever you want....

        So explain to me why he can't do it at summer camp in the pool with the rest of the guys or in front of his PL, SPL or Scout Master.

        While a scout is trustworthy, many parents are not and very simply a bad influence on their own scouts.

        KDD you can't honestly take a scouts work.... It seems the current generation can lie and spin tails easy as telling the truth, my scout included. I don't know what is wrong with them.

        Scout is calling MBC in an neighboring council to see if we can get it finished.


        Again Selfishness of the Unit only MBC's. impacts the boys programs.

        So please read the program literature, Especially if your going to become a MBC, and understand the program before you just start spouting solutions and rules that in my opinion shortcut the intent of the program.

      • King Ding Dong
        King Ding Dong commented
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        You said there were no available MBCs. I said I trusted YOU.

      • Basementdweller
        Basementdweller commented
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        I am not a swimming MBC and he needs to do this on his own.....Calling the MBC from the neighboring council was his idea.....I will drive him the hour and a half or more to the meeting when he finds one...... Worst case it waits till next summer camp.

        My name does not appear anywhere in his scout book, having signed off on anything, Not a single merit badge. He will get it on his own, with dad just acting as a supportive parent.

    • #8
      Summer camp this year sucked, but being in council we expected that.

      By the time they rolled around to our week many of the staff members had already quit. They were down to just 3 life guards so swim checks took forever and all the classes were moved around to accommodate the missing staff.

      We didn't get the Camp T-shirts we ordered and the camp said they have no record of the order, so we have to send someone to the council office to find out what happened.

      The main topic of discussion among the boys was how FAT the camp staff were, several were over 300 pounds. (We thought BSA had height/weight limits????) They couldn't walk 100 yards w/o huffing and puffing. Many rode ATV's to their program areas so they wouldn't have to walk.

      The part that really sucked was that due to this lovely article (http://dnews.com/local/article_8321d...6288bfb40.html) which states which troops in our district are disbanding over the gay vote and includes a blurd stating that our troop is open to everyone, we were labeled the "HOMO TROOP" and our boys were not allowed to use the shower house because the good christian troops didn't want their boys in contact with our boys in an area where their wouldn't be adult supervision. But, Hey--we've got troops in our council that still don't allow blacks, so could we really expect less?

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      • qwazse
        qwazse commented
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        And I thought it sucked when I got word someon called HQ claiming to represent our troop in opposition to the new policy.

        You win so much, it makes this Christian boy want to put on one of those hats of yours.

      • King Ding Dong
        King Ding Dong commented
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        Certainly your not suggesting the BSA discriminate against people with eating disorders ? Kick those FAT people out!

      • Khaliela
        Khaliela commented
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        Qwazse:

        The Aryan Nation is a white, Christian, separatist religious organization that was based in Hayden Lake, Idaho and is part of the Christian Identity organization; Church of Jesus Christ–Christian. The compound was dismantled and so was the original church they preached in, but more churches continue to spring up around the area.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Nation

        Recently, an avowed white supremacist ran for sheriff in Bonner County, Idaho; That same year another ran for sheriff in Latah County, Idaho.
        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1365677.html

        After the Aryan compound was torn down we had an influx of Klan members who moved to the area. Their members and remaining members of the Aryan's protested a program for 5th graders on Martin Luther King, Jr. in Coeur d'Alene. They arrived waving signs and shouting "white power" at cars.
        (http://www.kxly.com/news/KKK-Group-H...z/-/index.html)

        In Moscow, Idaho, Pastor Douglas Wilson preaches that all social ills will be solved if people of color would return to their rightful place as servants and argues that slavery should be legal. His most controversial work is his pamphlet Southern Slavery, As It Was. He is the Director of New St. Andrews College, and is associated with several private Christian schools at the elementary and secondary level.
        http://www.nsa.edu/
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Wilson_(theologian)

        All of these groups and their associated churches have chartered scouts units in my council. Racism is still very alive in our country; pretending it doesn't exist and claiming that there still aren't plenty of churches out their who preach this type of Hate isn't going to make the world a better place.

    • #9
      Camp was really good. We have had a wet summer to date, so the bugs were much worse than usual this year.

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      • #10
        Only there 1 day this year (coverage issue).
        Food, Facilities, Program, Staff all good or Excellent.
        Programs for older youth keep boys involved.
        They keep voting to return, that in spite of the fact that the first year we went, the food was nearly inedible.

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        • #11
          My first year at Summer camp and really enjoyed it. The weather was rough. Low nineties almost every day with high humidity but everyone got through it. I thought the food was sub-par but all the boys said it was way better than lat years camp. There was more than enough food. Really enjoyed the adult training available.

          Did have a couple issues. Each camp had an "Indian Pump" for putting out the fire and were told to use it. Ours had a leak in the hose at the base so you could not pump pressure and use it. It was reported 3 different times and it still was not fixed wen we left camp at the end of the week. Most of the staff were awesome but we did have two that were not. One didn't feel like putting any effort into teaching the merit badge and just gave out assignments and then sat back and played with her phone. The boys ended up with only about half of a badge completed when it all could have been done. The other taught archery and didn't bother making sure the younger boys new what their point totals were so they could come back during the free hour and work on their point total. On the last day she said everyone had completed the badge and dismissed them early only to give several partials because they hadn't gotten the 90 points required. Interestingly these two counselors were sisters.

          Over all a great week and looking forward to going back next year.

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          • King Ding Dong
            King Ding Dong commented
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            I had one of those slackers. Basketry MBC wanted to play cards instead. Got out cell phone, took pictures of him playing cards, handed my phone to camp director. Next day major attitude change.
            Last edited by King Ding Dong; 07-23-2013, 10:28 PM.

        • #12
          My son had attended his first Summer Camp as a Cub Scout. Weather was hot and humid, but the staff had two five gallon water jugs at each program station. Food was good and plentiful, given the conditions dinner could have been lighter, but I know the menus are planned in advance. The staff was enthusiastic and accomodating. The kdis invited them back to site for s'mores and a handful were able to come by, they sang, played flashlight tag, and told stories. Teh cook even made a cake for son's b-day after I asked where to buy one. To top it off we attended the camp of my first summer camp.

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          • #13
            Just back from round two of summer camp. Webelos

            food was good....

            My biggest beef isn't with the summer camp, But what the Jamboree does to the local programs. They strip way to many enthusiastic local volunteers way for the event. The CD and PD kept apologizing......Two of the stations had a CIT and a run it yourself program.

            So the cost to my boys was a very mediocre program......


            So the big bad jamboree has a negative impact on the local program......

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