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  • Where did the drinking thread go???

    Over the weekend someone posted a thread about adults ducking out of camp to go to the bar for a drink.....

    where did it go......It disappeared before I was able to respond....



    I hope that I am not alone in this....... But when I am at summer camp or even a weekend camp........I have never felt the need or urge to leave for any reason, much less go to a bar for a beer.

    Someone is going to have to explain it to me, because in my book if you can't go for a week or weekend without one you are an alcoholic and need some help.


    Are we that soft that being in the woods is that huge of a sacrifice?????


    this goes alone with the scouters that are afraid to be in the woods with out a firearm with them............

  • #2
    You really need to get over yourself.

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    • gsdad
      gsdad commented
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      You say paranoid, I say prepared. You are not BP or Green Bar Bill reincarnated. The firearm issue aside, everyone has a different idea of what Scouting is to them. Your view is your view, it is neither right or wrong.

    • Basementdweller
      Basementdweller commented
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      That is all true....but at least I can sleep in the woods, in a tent and in the dark without a firearm.


      If you taking your scouts somewhere you feel absolutely have to have a firearm for your personal safety........I would question your judgement with my scouts personal safety....

    • gsdad
      gsdad commented
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      Especially if I was in a $200 tent, set up near a camp kitchen, all of which was carried in a troop trailer.

  • #3
    Hey BD, that was me and it is titled Summer Camp Break.

    Now before you get your panties to wadded up I was posting a satirical poll. I frequently go longer than a week with no alcohol and do not "need" it, ever. I also pointed out in my troop's situation we are bordering on to much adult leadership at camp. Our troop elected the dining hall option and while that kind of food is ok for awhile, it will be a definite change as I try to limit my industrial processed food intake. Grains, beans, white potatoes, starches, industrialized meats, processed sugars, all the stuff our bodies are not designed to digest and are making us sick. I highly suspect grass feed beef or free range chicken with roasted asparagus is not on the menu. I will certainly pack some quality meat and vegetables to cook myself.

    Having a couple of cocktails in an air conditioned environment with a healthy meal certainly would be a nice "break". A side benefit would be to not have Dad there for a few hours. I never suggested I needed to go out and party and get blasted and come stumble back into my tent. Most stated that while it might be OK, it would not be the wisest action. I am cool with that.

    Why am I going at all? My son just crossed over and is a bit of a special needs case. While very intelligent, he is almost a full year younger than the others in the NSP, has ADHD, has emotional issues, did not have the best Webelos experience, is very weak, is not independent at all among other issues. ( He generally cannot even unscrew a water bottle). Working with the SM and committe we have a plan for me to gradually pull back, but at this time we decided it was not best to plunge him into a full week of independence with people he does not know well at all. We recently moved and only spent a few months with the Pack and due to bad weather only has one weekend campout under his belt.

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    • #4
      BD has a GREAT point. Why would an adult at summer camp need to leave camp for a beer or cocktail? It is only a week. Wait until Saturday night, if you need a drink, or find someone to share your responsibility through the week.

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      • Basementdweller
        Basementdweller commented
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        So why is your troop taking that many adults????

        I understand your situation. But why are the other 5 going.


        I smell man scouting.

      • King Ding Dong
        King Ding Dong commented
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        BD, Your sniffer is off a little, more like a bit of Mom Scouting. Better get that smeller checked out.

        SM can't take of the whole week off because he is going to SeaBase, so he is part time. We have no ASM so female CC and Mom of another special needs Scout are attending, so three full time. OA is Friday and so a couple are coming for that and no need to drive home and then back Saturday for pick up. We aren't one of those troops with access to a VAN!!! The Adult Troop Quartermaster will drive up Sunday and stay the night and back on Friday to tow our Jacuzzi and Mobile Scout Theater System and Video Arcade.

        From my limited experience these parents do stay out of "it" and just enjoy observing their sons in action.

        I have seen the Man Scouting routine. The the other week I observed a troop with 4 12x20 carports and trailer BBQ smoking a whole hog. The also had an old UPS sized van and trailers to haul their gear. It looked more like a Renaissance Festival.

        We have no scouts over 13 attending.

      • Basementdweller
        Basementdweller commented
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        I get whats going on now KDD....

        Lots of adults coming and going during the week.

    • #5
      The website was acting up when it posted....there was some sort of a pole and then my screen went unable to display.


      Honestly I really enjoy summer camp with the troop.......The boys take care of themselves for the most part.....Occasionally need to go roust the SPL because he didn't set his alarm clock......


      Typical day is breakfast, SM coffee meeting, then SM morning project, Lunch, SM swim, Nap.....Dinner, evening program....Slushies on the front porch of the trading post shower, bed and then repeat......Very high stress as you can see......

      Summer camp they serve boy food, I will say by the end of the week I do feel like I need to detox......But I have never left camp for any reason.



      If you spend the week chasing your boys, your doing it wrong.......If Jr comes back with no merit badges, and mom is looking for someone to blame......It isn't me, It was his choice to blow off all of the meetings and hang out at the trading post.

      I might be one of the few that doesn't have a problem with a group of life or eagle scouts hanging out together in camp or partaking in the open periods at the rifle range, water front

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      • #6
        The first year that my dad went to camp with me, about Wednesday he grabbed me and we stole into town for supper. He never drank except a beer at a baseball game or maybe with pizza (I'm talking 5 beers in 20 years) but if he'd had one with dinner I don't think it would've been a big deal, nor would I have a problem with another adult doing so now that I'm an adult. The problem would be if they had more than one and/or came back still buzzed and/or smelling, or talking it up. The problem with people that drink with any regularity is that they can't keep their mouths shut about it--protip: No one cares about what you're drinking, bro.

        Smoking is comparable here. The camp we attend allows smoking in one spot, and one spot only, far away from everyone's eyes and noses.

        It is simply not a moral issue for an adult to have a drink. I don't, but it's not illegal and it doesn't set a bad example in my opinion, until you start yammering on about it like some frat boy or connoisseur.

        That said, this I have an issue with:
        Originally posted by King Ding Dong View Post
        I will certainly pack some quality meat and vegetables to cook myself.
        Nobody likes camp food. If I get sent out of camp on an errand, yeah, I do it at lunch or dinner time and stop at McDonald's (which is ironic, but I digress). But I would never walk into camp with my own special food in front of everyone else who is suffering through it; it's rude.

        What I would suggest, since this all stems really from the food avoidance rather than any desire to leave expressly to get a drink, is that you talk to the boys and adults about maybe cooking your own suppers in your site, like summer camps used to do and the way they do at jamboree. You can all certainly cook better cheeseburgers, grilled chicken, etc than the crap they churn out from the D hall. Maybe sweeten the deal by offering to do the cooking yourself.
        But to me, it's the height of rudeness to bring your own meals to camp absent an allergy.

        Originally posted by King Ding Dong View Post
        Working with the SM and committe we have a plan for me to gradually pull back, but at this time we decided it was not best to plunge him into a full week of independence with people he does not know well at all.
        I really applaud you for that. Way too many people turn camp into trauma by forcing it too early.

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        • Scouter99
          Scouter99 commented
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          No, I got it: You're a picky eater and your body has conditioned itself to that.
          Believe you me, I crap my brains out at camp, sometimes for the first couple days, sometimes the whole week. That does not entitle me to special meals when odds are many of the boys are also suffering, and I know most of the adults are. I pack my own toilet paper of preference and Cottonelle wipes, and a box of Imodium.

          Do what you want to do, but it's not a matter of you living or dying, and you're just going to raise the ire of people around you. I would definitely advise against any drinking while you're already annoying everyone around you.

          As for the so-called Paleo diet fad, if you want to get serious about it, might I suggest an authentic primal diet based upon the native americans observed by the Spanish explorer Cabeza de Vaca who was marooned among them for a year or two: "From October to the end of February every year, which is the season these Indians live on the island, they subsist on the roots I have mentioned. Only [in November and December] do they take fish in their cane weirs. When the fish is consumed, the roots furnish one staple. At the end of February the islanders go into other parts to seek sustenance, for then the root is beginning to grow and is inedible. . . Three months out of every year they eat nothing but oysters and drink very bad water. . . Many a time I would go three days without eating, as would the natives."

        • King Ding Dong
          King Ding Dong commented
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          Whatever. I'm not picky, the crap our food industry churns out is making me sick. I am forced to eat this way. I am not conditioned to eat this way, it is very hard to do so. Call it a fad if you will, but it is just eating REAL food.

          You also seen to ignore the fact that this is what the scouts and adults choose to do. They do not want to cook. If any of them would like to eat with me they are more than welcome and sure I will cook for them. This camp is known for very good food, at least in the eyes of kids. I will likely have many meals at the pavilion, but if it ends up being a processed food based meal, I just can't do it.

          Go ahead and spend your week crapping your brains out and bedridden from pain if you want. Would you tell a vegan to just suck it up ? That's rude.

        • Scouter99
          Scouter99 commented
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          People do what they want to do.

      • #7
        A lot going on in this thread.

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        • Scouter99
          Scouter99 commented
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          Hah. Definitely came off as more of a troll than I intended, not used to forums where I can't edit

      • #8
        Scouter99,

        Believe me, I'm not criticizing, just observing. Especially when it comes to various kinds of trolling, subtle or overt. I for one can not judge anyone due to the beam in my own eye.

        We've covered a lot of ground here--guns, beer, scouter ratios, processed food in the chow hall, healthy food from elsewhere, camp routines, preparedness v. paranoia--and that's not all.

        Frankly, this is the most interesting thread I've seen here in awhile.



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        • #9
          I agree, I enjoyed reading this (and seeing this kind of chatter is part of my daily job, just glad I can join in here!) I look forward to seeing how our parents handle this in the future; if they leave or stick around. I know at our one overnighter everyone remained (rushed to get out of there the next morning but not the night before.) A lot of the points in here I've never thought about, the varying opinions here make me wonder how I'll feel about it if/when it happens.

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          • #10
            hehehe Vegans......I won't eat anything with a face....

            If god didn't intend us to eat our animal friends then why did he make them so tasty????

            Followed by wasn't it Fruit that got us thrown out of eden????? If Eve had killed the serpent and served it to Adam instead of the fruit where would we be now??????

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            • King Ding Dong
              King Ding Dong commented
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              PETA

              (People Eating Tasty Animals)

              Never understood why hunting is not allowed but fishing is fine. Is it a safty issue or ethical one?

              Would it be OK to trap an animal and then slaughter and eat it ? That's what fishing is.

          • #11
            Am I the only one that finds the irony in complaining about camp food as being overly-processed and sneaking off for "real food", while at the same time pumping your body with overly-distilled libations that have more crud in them than the aforementioned "bad food"? ;-)You are safer with a piece of Wonder Bread than some of the alcohol you will find at any watering hole near most scout camps. ;-)

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            • King Ding Dong
              King Ding Dong commented
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              Well we could debate the scientific health benefits of moderate amounts of alcohol. We could discuss the inventory of a restraunt near the particular camp i will attend. We could also debate the health benefits of ingesting hydrocarbons found in much our chemical food we are fed. We could also debate the scientific facts of the severe damage gluten inflicts on the GI system of a Celiac.

              However, It appears your mind is made up about the science, so there is little point.

            • Krampus
              Krampus commented
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              ...made up only because I worked in a distillery in college.

            • King Ding Dong
              King Ding Dong commented
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              Worked in one or ran one?

          • #12
            I view the bourbon and such I enjoy as solvent....Helps break up the grease from the chicken wings......


            I am going to say that just about the entire troop has Seen me on my back porch with the neighbor enjoying a cigar and beverage......the joys of a tight knit community....Had one mom try to make a big deal about it.....the minister said he was mad he didn't get invited.....Mr. B was drinking and smoking on his back porch......My son saw it.....No I wasn't stupid drunk....crown black is too expensive for that...I also enjoy woodford reserve...

            I think the entire troop membership has spent a night with scout son in the man cave video gaming.....

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            • Faith
              Faith commented
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              All that celebrating should counter any soberness. Thankfully that email didn't make it to my inbox so I'll have a drink tonight in your honor (the rest you'll just have to figure out on your own)

            • King Ding Dong
              King Ding Dong commented
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              Damn you auto-correct ! Does National have a policy on "figuring it out on your own" ?

              I wonder what direction this thread would have taken if I had originally asked, "Can you take a break from summer camp and meet your wife at the KOA down the road for a couple of hours? "

            • Faith
              Faith commented
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              If they do, I didn't get that email either! And maybe its best you didn't ask that, I'd be afraid to see the answers (I'd still read them of course but that's beside the point.)

          • #13
            ...Bourbon and ice, tall glass, makes for a pleasant evening and good conversation.

            King DD, your hypothetical question officially makes this the best thread yet.

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            • #14
              I went cold turkey on all alcohol over 4 years ago and I don't miss it. Never smoked. No drugs. I'm incredibly boring.
              But to me, the point of camping is not the cuisine. It is to enjoy the outdoors, yes and the companionship there of young people as well. I do not understand the need some people have to sneak off for any reason. If there is a serious need, state the need and then go take care of it. If you're sneaking, it is by definition a deception and violates the first law.
              As for the firearm thing...some people do seriously need to compensate for their shortcomings, even if through playing out their fantasies.

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              • Faith
                Faith commented
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                I wasn't so awfully boring as a teenager but grew up quickly right before my 20s (and am now pretty boring myself.) I still really don't drink (only when my ambassador program requires it or we have a big get together here at the house.) I do *not* get drunk. The husband is much more lenient with his intake (not alcoholic status but after work he likes a beer every now and then.) But with that being said, I don't think he'd ever leave a meeting to go have a drink. Only reason I'd ever leave is if it was an emergency or something I couldn't avoid. Even as an occasional smoker (shame on me I know) I refrain from smoking at any function/gathering that is scout related, whether they provide areas or not.

            • #15
              Summer camp booze break: Drink before camp, drink after camp, but never during camp.

              When I feel like drinking I have a peanut butter cookie and take a hike. It is only 5 days, I can wait for my Ben Nevis.

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              • King Ding Dong
                King Ding Dong commented
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                7 days but who's counting. Will I get in trouble if it is a Girl Scout cookie?
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