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  • #46
    The uniform guide exists for a reason, and I believe we should try to follow it. That being said if someone knows the rules and chooses to break them, not much we can do. Scouts are required to be obedient by the Scout Law but there is no punishment if you're not. It is just a matter of honor.

    However that should not stop someone from going up to a person and letting them know what the rules are (my assumption is that they do not know the rule if they are breaking it, and I just want to inform them so they can fix it if they want to. This is being courteous, kind and friendly). In the instant case someone specifically asked what the rule was and it was answered, why all the consternation that someone knew the rule and was friendly enough to answer?

    I have to chuckle at BSA 24's comments though because I do not understand how in other threads he is so adamant that Scouts must wear the official pants (I agree with this by the way). I guess someone appointed him to be the authority of which parts of the uniform guide were required and which were optional.

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    • #47
      double post(This message has been edited by johnponz)

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      • #48
        Don't know if it is in this thread or another one, but at 1 time OA relaxed when and what you could wear the OA sash with. It was in the mid to late 1980s, I know I could wear mine at COH per the OAHB at the time, and the sash wasn;t restricted to just the field uniforms and those performing in ceremonial attire, but could be worn with the dress, aka professional, uniform of grey pants, white shirt, "barber shop" tie, and blue blazer with insignia.

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        • #49
          The IH appointed me the COR which makes me the defacto interpreter of BSA program for my units.

          It is true our unit requires an official uniform of each boy and each leader. We require it as much as we can, which is to say about as much as the uniform guide. We say it is required, and then people either do it or don't, and we don't do anything other than say, "Where's your uniform?" when they arrive.

          As to which parts to follow, that is simple. I like the idea of the basics of the uniform. I think some of the smaller, more detailed rules are stupid. Especially the rules about the OA sash not being worn on the belt.

          Am I required to be a black and white thinker who either hates uniforms entirely or follows the uniform guide to perfection? I do not believe I am required to be such.

          Is there a guide of uniform thought somewhere? Please say there is. I would like to set about breaking its many rules immediately. (This message has been edited by bsa24)

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          • #50
            Consistency of thought is important as it helps to avoid the hypocrite label which to me is about as bad as it gets, but we do all have our own value systems.

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            • #51
              Double post. The forum has been acting weird lately(This message has been edited by johnponz)

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              • #52
                I recently received my vigil and have been wanting to make a beaded sash with the legend on the back. has anyone else had a problem finding patterns as well? I have found patterns for everything except the vigil triangle and the legend beaded pattern. feel free to email me at levi.bowhunter@gmail.com

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                • #53
                  Just wait for the 100th anniversary. The National Committee has already discussed a special commemorative sash for all participants. They will state that the sashes will only be worn at the NOAC, but I don't see how they manage it after everyone goes home.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by BSA24 View Post
                    I think some of the smaller, more detailed rules are stupid. Especially the rules about the OA sash not being worn on the belt.
                    I realize I'm responding to a post from August, but I want to address this specific point. There is a symbolic reason for wearing the OA sash over the right shoulder and not in any other way. It is explained in the Ordeal ceremony right before the sash is given to the new members. Plus, there are two things to consider: first, a scout is obedient; second, adults should be setting the example for the scouts.

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                    • #55
                      There are so many issues with this tread in my mind.

                      While venturing crews can select their own uniforms....having them dressed in all black uniforms, reminencent of a certain military group in the 40's and modern hate group...probably doesn't portray the proper BSA image.

                      Technically, you should only wear the white sash with red arrow...but I've also seen the other versions. I aslo like the idea of having the OA history on the back.. so this becomes an issue of Uniform Police vs. personal preference. As stated...the technical rule says white sash.

                      The concept of BSA declining in numbers, so just allow it is contrary to the idea of integrity and honesty. What are we teaching our members if we're more worried about them leaving then doing what's right?

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                      • #56
                        levi.bowhunter, you can find sash patterns out there, but I would not use one. From my prospective, I prefer to own what I make. When I beaded my original sash I simply looked at my embroidered one, and drew what I saw on graph paper. My version of the legend was made creating my own pictographs for each key segment (I designed it as a prop that would keep me on track in the ceremony).

                        The new sash I'm beading is base on the old one, sans the legend, tweaked to work better in lazy stich.

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                        • #57
                          talk about digging up old threads...this one started in 2003....

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