Scouter Jim 10 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Quick question... One of the requirements for the Scouter's Training Award (for Boy Scouts) indicates that you must do the following: "Attend a university of Scouting (or equivalent), or attend at least four roundtables (or equivalent) during each year of the tenure used for this award." Anyone have any idea what would be considered "equivalent" for each of these? For example, would say Wood Badge be equivalent to a university of Scouting? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites
Austinole 43 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 That would knock equivalent out of the ballpark. Link to post Share on other sites
Stosh 3452 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 It's the Scouter Training Award, WB should cover at least 50% of those requirements at the minimum. Stosh Link to post Share on other sites
Hueymungus 73 Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 Nope. It does not say "Go to Wood Badge" as a requirement. U of Scouting or four Roundtables. So, you cannot use it. Remember, you cannot add, delete, change or subsitute requirements within the BSA. Lead by example. Link to post Share on other sites
Stosh 3452 Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 Nope. It does not say "Go to Wood Badge" as a requirement. U of Scouting or four Roundtables. So' date=' you cannot use it. Remember, you cannot add, delete, change or subsitute requirements within the BSA. Lead by example.[/quote'] "Attend a university of Scouting (or equivalent), or attend at least four roundtables (or equivalent) during each year of the tenure used for this award." So what would be an equivalent for either of those in your estimation? I was thinking WB would be a rather good substitute for some of the requirements. The original post was focusing on what constituted an equivalent and according to the verbiage, it is not adding, deleting or substituting anything. Stosh Link to post Share on other sites
King Ding Dong 540 Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 I suppose the negative view of Woodbadge on this forum contributes to the bias. Considering our UofS has lots to leadership type classes i would think 6 days of training would count for something. Link to post Share on other sites
SSScout 1615 Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 Well, now we get into the "attend" versus "earn" conundrum. Did he earn a degree? or the Beads? or did he just "attend"? If you "attend" and don't fall asleep, I guess you have to learn/absorb something. Hey, I know folks that attend my R/Ts just to get outta the house! But I make'm worth it! Link to post Share on other sites
qwazse 4344 Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 For this, I would count 6-8 hours of any skill-specific district level training, including camp seminars for adults (other than the garden variety, take-a-nap MB). If you've updated your first-aid/CPR with a few other scouters, or maybe took a course in range safety or orienteering, stuff that would be a huge benefit to your unit. You can look up most U of S course offerings online to get an idea of the kinds of things we're talking about. Woodbadge is on a somewhat different dimension. I can see a lot of WB-ers (such as myself) not counting it for the award. On the other hand, I couldn't argue with someone who did count. If those two weekends were all they had to spare one year, and attending WB left no margin for UoS, I'd definitely count it. Link to post Share on other sites
SM bob 171 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 I believe the wood badge hours would be equivalent. The purpose of the Roundtable and UofS requirement is for networking and gaining knowledge from your peers. I am assuming BSA national wants people to learn from others and not be isolated in their own pack, troop, crew. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
NJCubScouter 1389 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 It is more than equivalent. I would count it. On the other hand, neither I nor any of us here are the ones signing your card, so you might ask their opinions as well. Link to post Share on other sites
TAHAWK 1420 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Training is basic, advanced, and "other." U of Scouting, Powderhorn, and Baden Powell Institute are examples of "other." Wood Badge is "advanced." If it were up to me, Wood Badge would more than suffice. Link to post Share on other sites
jr56 92 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Sure, Wood Badge would count. But the meaning of the requirement also, is for something like a yearly program kickoff meeting that my council does (that meeting is done either instead of, or in addition to a roundtable). Link to post Share on other sites
mashmaster 783 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 I've been to Woodbadge, presented at UofS, and am on the Round table staff. Woodbadge is a totally different animal in my opinion from the others. The other too are much more practical for the units on short term goals and activities. Wood Badge tends to have a longer lifetime and effect but usually not as immediate of an impact. It seems pretty specific to me and heck, round tables are fun. Link to post Share on other sites
Old_OX_Eagle83 212 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 ... and the correct answer is ask your District Advancement Chair (or his Adult Recognition person) 1 Link to post Share on other sites
ChaiAdventure 25 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 This is a question for the district training chair, not the advancement chair. As a DTC, I would count WB as equivalent to UoS for the purposes of this training award for one of the years required of the two for tenure. Link to post Share on other sites
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