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    hello all, long time lurker. Just wanted to post this to hear other scouter's thoughts on the subject. We have a few scouts and families who will be leaving the troop on Dec 31 due to the membership policy change. Some of them are extremely close to earning Eagle, and have been plowing down merit badges and eagle projects in a rush to get their eagle before then. Do any of you have members of your troop doing this, and what are your thoughts on it?

    Personally, I understand taking a stand and sticking with it (even if I dont agree with it). But what kinda sticks in my craw is that if its so important to take a stand against "what boy scouts has become", then why is it so darned important to get eagle? My feeling is that if they really had a problem with scouting, they would have left immediately and to heck with the rank. Why should it still be important? I know, I know....so their kids can pad their resume. Just seems so hypocritical. I dont know, maybe its just me. Thoughts?

  • #2
    People are very interesting creatures. There was a grandfather in our area who recently pulled his two grandsons out of a local Pack BEFORE the recent membership policy changes because he wanted the policies to be changed and go even farther than what was ultimately done. He was an Eagle Scout. As I noted at the time, he had no problem using Boy Scouting and his Eagle Award for his own benefit over the years, even while membership policies with which he disagreed were in place, but he now wants to deny those same benefits to his own grandsons, despite the fact that they are too young to have any thoughts or feelings about these issues and don't even know anyone (or at least realize they know anyone) who would have been impacted by the previous membership standards or the current ones. Hard to respect someone like that.

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    • #3
      And I thought the rush was so they didn't have to do the Cooking MB.

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      • qwazse
        qwazse commented
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        It's like I have an evil twin (who types faster than me)!

      • Bando
        Bando commented
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        Exactly my thought, too.

      • Baseballfan
        Baseballfan commented
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        haha I also thought that was what the thread would be about!

    • #4
      They invested a lot of time and energy reaching the bar of Eagle, they just want to finish the journey.

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      • #5
        None in our troop are doing this. Either in protest of policy or fee changes, or to skate by without having to earn cooking.

        But, we've made it clear that our SM's have never kicked a gay kid to the curb and would never do so. Period. Cut his pay if it bothers you. I've also pointed out that most Christian youth groups I know (and any that I associate with) do not as policy prohibit LGBT youth. So, I don't know where they think they are leaving to.

        We're a small troop, so if a few boys hustled up and earned it by the end of the year, that would be fine by me. I would suggest that they turn in their uniform to someone else who will wear it with pride, and ask if we really have to order them the patches for a CoH that they will not want any existing members (by virtue of their complicity) to participate in.

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        • #6
          We're gaining Scouts coming in from units which are folding, but non of that. (Yeah, my first thought was "Cooking is that big a deal") If we did I'd probably find my Scoutmaster conference schedule fill through the end of the year.

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          • T2Eagle
            T2Eagle commented
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            I'm curious, the units that are folding, are their COs closing the unit? If so who are they? Are the adults just deciding to bail? I have not heard of any units around here closing, and there are some that are chartered by some very conservative churches.

          • King Ding Dong
            King Ding Dong commented
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            There are allegedly 6 COs in my district that are refusing to recharter, that is out of 170, so not many statistically. 2 are Presbyterian not sure about the others. They claim they are going with Trailer Life USA.

        • #7
          That is the funniest thing I have read this week so far..


          So an organization who you are quitting because you have a moral objection to it's membership policy. Your going to pause long enough to receive it's highest rank. WOW

          I wonder if they morally object to the point that it doesn't end up on the lads college or job resume. I doubt it......Typical selfish US citizens, Not gonna call them Americans cause that would lump them in with the Canadians and Mexicans which are fine folks.

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          • King Ding Dong
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            Their resume will read "Pre January 1, 2014 Eagle Scout". They will proud of their higher tier Eagle.

            After Ted Cruz I'm not so sure about those Canadians anymore.

          • Brewmeister
            Brewmeister commented
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            Totally agree. Well, "funniest" isn't the word I would use, but yeah, definitely.

          • onevoice
            onevoice commented
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            Just as funny as people who had an objection to the previous policy, but stayed in the program anyway, and listed their rank earned as an accomplishment all their lives

        • #8
          We haven't had any issues with the either the policy change or the cooking merit badge.

          The 2 boys that are getting finished up are right at 18 (my son passed his board last night and just turned 18 and he actually did earn cooking MB the other scout turns 18 in November)

          We have 1 scout finishing up by May as he will be traveling overseas with his family after that and he almost has cooking MB done he turns 18 this coming summer. I have one other scout who has completed cooking MB already and the rest of our scouts have started the merit badge because they know the requirements now and aren't sure what all the changes are going to be. It will take a while to get them all to finish it up as that's a bunch to get through and lots of different camp cooking needed so some times we may have to give favor to an older scout who needs to get it done over a younger scout that has longer to get that cooking done.

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          • #9
            Yes, I've seen some conversations where the unit would charter in tandem with Trail Life and BSA until they Eagled out and then transition completely. All over nothing.

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            • #10
              We have not seen any blowback on the policy change...we have seen a handful of Star/Life scouts with lingering Cooking partials hurry to complete once they figured it would be the least work.

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              • qwazse
                qwazse commented
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                How is it any less work? Although the MB is required in Jan 2014, and the badge is slated for some revisions, the new book won't be out until mid year. The MB may be earned under old requirements until the end of 2014.

                On the flip side, if they THINK they are saving work by wrapping up early, there is no reason to let a partial linger by disavowing them of that notion.

            • #11
              Great site! I know what someone is getting for Christmas...

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              • King Ding Dong
                King Ding Dong commented
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                I was scratching my head over that one. Lol.

              • jblake47
                jblake47 commented
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                No, wait, I wanna hear what it is!!!

                Stosh

              • King Ding Dong
                King Ding Dong commented
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                I bet it was this one.

                girlsinyogapants.com

            • #12
              It's gonna be a real sticker shock for some of these people when they realize there have been actively gay scouts earning Eagle prior to Jan 1st.

              Stosh

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              • #13
                Originally posted by chrisking0997 View Post
                hello all, long time lurker. Just wanted to post this to hear other scouter's thoughts on the subject. We have a few scouts and families who will be leaving the troop on Dec 31 due to the membership policy change. Some of them are extremely close to earning Eagle, and have been plowing down merit badges and eagle projects in a rush to get their eagle before then. Do any of you have members of your troop doing this, and what are your thoughts on it?

                Personally, I understand taking a stand and sticking with it (even if I dont agree with it). But what kinda sticks in my craw is that if its so important to take a stand against "what boy scouts has become", then why is it so darned important to get eagle? My feeling is that if they really had a problem with scouting, they would have left immediately and to heck with the rank. Why should it still be important? I know, I know....so their kids can pad their resume. Just seems so hypocritical. I dont know, maybe its just me. Thoughts?
                I thought the mad rush to Eagle before 2014 was due to the Cooking Merit Badge requirement. We've got 4 Life Scouts in the troop that have finished their Eagle Projects. Only one of them has Cooking merit badge, as he doesn't expect to finish the other Eagle required badges before January 1. One of the three without Cooking MB has been a Life Scout since 2010. I hope he's diligent on his paperwork, and gets it done on time.
                Last edited by perdidochas; 11-07-2013, 09:55 AM.

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                • #14
                  The ridiculous thing in my opinion is this is the COOKING MB not CAMPING MB or BACKPACKING MB or T-1 requirements. Nowhere in the requirements does it state the cooking must or should be done for your Patrol. Just cook for "two others". There is absolutely no reason the troops program should slow down the ability of a Scout to earn the MB. Anyone insisting these cooking activities must be done while camping or backpacking with the troop is just adding to the requirements. It sure would be a whole lot more fun to do with your patrol but not required. It is about cooking camping, backpacking and kitchen meals, not camping or backpacking. In fact I think it is probably a good idea to practice cooking a backpacking meal before actually trying it out on the trail.

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                  • Horizon
                    Horizon commented
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                    Agreed (I say as a Cooking MB counselor). We created a couple of "cooking MB" teams on a recent campout so that there would not be any limitations on opportunities to cook. Best dutch oven enchiladas, dutch oven mac & cheese, and dutch oven chili - I was waddling by the evening.

                    I do, though, have the backpackers have to hike in their stove and food - only to teach the concept of dried food plus water might or might not be that much lighter than "real" food depending on where you camp. We camp in the dessert a lot, and using a full water bottle to boil isn't always the best choice.

                • #15
                  Originally posted by chrisking0997 View Post
                  But what kinda sticks in my craw is that if its so important to take a stand against "what boy scouts has become", then why is it so darned important to get eagle? My feeling is that if they really had a problem with scouting, they would have left immediately and to heck with the rank. Why should it still be important? I know, I know....so their kids can pad their resume. Just seems so hypocritical. I dont know, maybe its just me. Thoughts?
                  I agree with you. You can be on either side of the memberhip issue and think it's hypocritical. I know a couple of families like this but I just keep my mouth shut. I have to pick my battles and this is not the one.

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