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  • Closing National Parks

    With the government "shutdown" all government run National Parks, from Yosemite to the Statue of Liberty, are being closed and campers are being given 2 days to pack up and leave.
    I hope no one's troops, crews, or packs use National Parks as your main camping locations. Lets just hope that they can figure this out.

  • #2
    We do the grand canyon veteran's day weekend in November. Hopefully it's figured out by then!!

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    • 5yearscouter
      5yearscouter commented
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      Brew,
      they are closing the roads up to the canyon.
      you can't get a permit (even if already approved like ours) to backpack into the canyon. All reservations will not be honored, even prepaid tickets to get into the park.

      There isn't a fence around the place that can be totally locked down if you are going to hike around the canyon but they are certainly trying their darndest to keep everyone out.

    • Brewmeister
      Brewmeister commented
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      Sounds like it's time for some civil disobedience.

    • 5yearscouter
      5yearscouter commented
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      Realize that part of what the care and keeping of the grand canyon is safety of visitors, with tens of thousands of people visiting every day, without access to bathrooms, without trash pick up, etc that could get very ugly health hazard fast. In addition to the risk for the stupid idiots who decide hiking the canyon without any water is a good idea because it's cool up at the top--even though it's probably 100 at the bottom. Civil disobedience to enter the canyon by those who would CARE for the environment, sure, you'll take out everything you take in and leave no trace; but as we know, most people are not like that, are they?

  • #3
    All the state parks in Wisconsin are open and no government in the way of having a great time. They are really gorgeous this time of year, too.

    Stosh

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    • King Ding Dong
      King Ding Dong commented
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      Sounds great. Where is Wisconsin ?

    • berliner
      berliner commented
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      Somewhere between the aztecs and the eskimoes in indian country :-)

    • Brewmeister
      Brewmeister commented
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      The feds also told Wisconsin to shut down some jointly managed federal properties, and the state proceeded to tell the feds where they could put that idea.

      Unfortunately I'm guessing that the vast expanse of the Nicolet and Chequamegon forests are closed to camping, although not all of the parks have gates...

  • #4
    National Forest offices are closed but the trails are still available. Put away the tent shelters, dutch ovens, and Winnebagos. Pick up a backpack and do some real outdoor adventure. As for the closed parks, nice - the wildlife can use a 'breather'.

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    • NeverAnEagle
      NeverAnEagle commented
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      There have always been people willing to go around a gate. I don't mind if you go on foot, but around here there are places where there are "roads" around the gate made by 4 wheelers and sometimes expanded enough to get a truck around. If you are planning a trip behind a gated area please be considerate, go on foot, and don't leave a path big enough for motorized vehicles to pass.

    • berliner
      berliner commented
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      All what NeverAnEagle said in short: Leave no trace. If there is no evidence ... ;-)

    • Basementdweller
      Basementdweller commented
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      So how long does it take to break a habituated bear of mini bears????

  • #5
    All the NPS web pages are down as well. You get redirected to Dept. of Interior main page.

    Because of the federal government shutdown, all national parks are closed and National Park Service webpages are not operating. For more information, go to www.doi.gov.
    Last edited by Builder; 10-02-2013, 04:13 PM.

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    • JoeBob
      JoeBob commented
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      I bet it took special effort to turn off the webpages. Recon the employees are afraid we won't miss them?

  • #6
    It would have taken longer to break all the links or make all the reservations services "unavailable" for all the things you can get a permit for online-- than it took to just take the site offline and plug in a redirect to the dept of the interior.

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    • FrankScout
      FrankScout commented
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      Government efficiency. Let's spend 2-3x the funds to keep people OUT. Makes a lot of sense.

    • Twocubdad
      Twocubdad commented
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      Blue Ridge Parkway is closed, too. It's a ROAD folks, a road. I suppose Americans are to stupid to drive through the mountains without federal assistance.

      However I did see a uniformed US Forest Service employee blowing leaves off the parking lot at the ranger station today. An essential service, no doubt. They must have discovered a cell of Al Qaeda squirrels.

    • packsaddle
      packsaddle commented
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      Twocub, that was most likely a contractor. If so, the amount of the contract has already been incumbered and they will continue to empty trash cans and remove leaves until the contract is out.

  • #7
    I bet if we offered to sell all the mineral rights for the National Parks the shutdown would be over in about 90 seconds.

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    • #8
      I just wish the boneheads on both sides of the aisle would figure this out. They've had chances to actually work out differences before now but none of them have tried. I don't buy the current arguments on either side.

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      • #9
        Over-reach theatre:

        http://www.infowars.com/barrycades-g...-mount-vernon/
        In some cases, efforts to shut down these sites actually require more manpower and resources than if they had been left open, highlighting the fact that this is an act of partisan theater by the Obama administration to pin the blame for the government shutdown on Republicans and opponents of Obamacare.

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        • jblake47
          jblake47 commented
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          When one visits Gettysburg, they couldn't find a park employee to save one's life, but now that it is closed, they are all over the place enforcing the barricades. This is only a political ploy that common sense Americans can see right through.

          Stosh

        • Brewmeister
          Brewmeister commented
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          Add to that the fact that many monuments and other open-air spaces are "closed" for the first time ever as a result of a government shutdown. Clearly there is a deliberate effort to inflict the maximum pain....

      • #10
        The Tomb of the Unknown Soldier and National War Memorial in Ottawa are open to the public. It is located across the street to Parliament Hill right downtown and there are no fences, no ticket booths, no security. All one has to do is cross the street, sit down on one of the many benches and remember. If they ever shut down their government, no one at the memorial would even notice.

        Stosh

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        • #11
          Heard one of my state's Representatives on the radio this morning saying that he often goes to the Jefferson Memorial at night to do his reading. He says they have 3 staff people at most on site. They had 7 guards turning people away. Figure that one out. It's Obama's punitive political theatre. It's like a little kid with a scratch flailing on the floor and wailing that his arm is cut off.

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          • jblake47
            jblake47 commented
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            Ahem, Teabagger is a derogatory term. I think the proper label is Tea Party member. Of course if one is into it, one could always use the term Jackasses for one of the parties as well. If one did, they would probably get a visit rather quickly. Ever notice how one side ignores the tauntings, but the other always seems to fly off the handle

          • JoeBob
            JoeBob commented
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            KDD. Tea Party rallies were never violent or hateful. The one time that a black congressman alleged that he was spit on by Tea Party members was blown out the water by the absence of proof from any of the 20 recordings of the walk and NO witnesses.

            I participated in a Tea Party rally in Atlanta, and nowhere else have I seen nicer more patriotic people (of many colors) so genuinely concerned about the future of our country.

            Your 'Teabagger' slur is ill-informed and reflects poorly on your Scout Spirit; and eliminates you as a credible participant in serious discussion.

            To other forum members: I apologize for bringing political comment to the 'Program' forum. My sense of decorum was overcome by my outrage at ignorance.

          • NeverAnEagle
            NeverAnEagle commented
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            Jblake: The news letter for the DNC is call "Kicking A$$." One of the major differences between the two parties is a sense of humor.

        • #12
          Or one could take the opinion that we need increased security because times like these fire up the wing nuts and they start doing really stupid things.

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          • JoeBob
            JoeBob commented
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            True, Right Wing Nuts can be provoked by Left Wing Nuts. The rhetorical vitriol just fuels the insanity.

            1- With the debt ceiling approaching...


            OOPS! Wrong forum. I should have realized that the discussion in here was being too logical.

        • #13
          Fox News calls it both a "shutdown" and a "slimdown."
          The government slimdown has “complicated” the ongoing search for a missing Idaho hiker near the Craters of the Moon National Monument, where all but three employees were ordered to go on furlough following Congress’ inability to reach an agreement to avoid the partial government suspension.

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          • SR540Beaver
            SR540Beaver commented
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            Hmmmm, I was unaware that ALL search and rescue folks only worked for the federal government.

          • EagleScout441
            EagleScout441 commented
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            Maybe we should enlist some scouts with the Search and Rescue MB to help.

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        • #15
          Thankfully the 150th anniversary Gettysburg encampment was last weekend! What a fantastic job by the New Birth of Freedom Council. There were 3500 scouts camped within the battlefield, everything went off without a hitch. Maybe they could give some pointers to the federal government.

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