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  • #31
    The uniform is only required for arrival, the big arena shows and departure. So where is the security in that.

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    • Basementdweller
      Basementdweller commented
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      The uniform is only required for arrival, departure and the arena shows.....

      Beyond that they are in class b's.........So your arguement is invalid

    • EagleJCS
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      OK. Suppose you're working security on arrival day. You see a group of kids and/or adults walking around in civvies and/or partial Scout uniforms - maybe just their BSA uniform shirts and a mix of jeans, shorts and greenish slacks. They don't have their Jamboree identifiers yet because it's arrival day. Do you stop them and keep them there until their identities check out, or do you let them continue to wander around?

      On one of the big arena show days, even though the camp will be closed to the public (i.e. no visitors), same thing. No Jambo identifiers readily seen. Do you stop them or let them continue to wander around? At the 2010 Jambo, we had a subcamp staff member stopped by security on an arena day prior to the arena event until he could produce his Jambo ID – he was in a plain-colored t-shirt and green shorts (not BSA shorts, but a similar color). His Jambo ID was in his pocket because he had been toting something in his arms and he forgot to put it back on.

      A few years back, we had a group of local kids wanting to trash the place and/or cause trouble with some actual participants at our local summer camp on arrival day. Fortunately they were stopped by one of the assistant camp rangers before they got down to main camp. (They didn’t know just how far back the main road they had to go to get to the summer camp area.) A Jambo can be a potentially larger target and garner a national audience for groups with an agenda if they want to cause a ruckus. That’s one reason why it’s important for all participants to be wearing the uniform for easier recognition, at least on the days requested.

    • King Ding Dong
      King Ding Dong commented
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      Can you describe the ruckus, sir ?

  • #32
    Hey GS......Found my scouts name on your list.....

    That has got to be the dumbest thing I have ever seen......He is scheduled for one thing plus his rafting.......

    I was expecting more of a schedule.

    Thx

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    • #33
      The one thing is the curriculum event, besides the Trek and the MODPOS, and the Sunday staff day off, the rest of the time is free-form. Activities are at the scout's selection.

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      • #34
        They probably won't send your son home. He will look out of place. You are right, the uniform is not required to be a member of the BSA, but it IS required to go to a Jamboree.

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        • Basementdweller
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          So exactly how is he going to look out of place with olive shorts that look like BSA shorts, his synthetic shirt that looks like the BSA version and white socks??????

      • #35
        My daughter's crew was told to wear non-denim cargo type shorts in the various colors of the uniform, or close to them, and tee shirts that cover the shoulder. Of course they would love for them to be in Scout shorts/slacks and Scout tee shirts if possible.

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        • EagleJCS
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          That's Venturing crews. They're not under the same uniforming conventions as Boy Scout troops. Crews are allowed to choose their own uniforms (for the most part) for their regular meetings/activities and are encouraged to wear the suggested Venturing uniform (Green shirt and grey pants/shorts) for larger meet-ups (council-rees, Jambo, etc.). My troop's CO has investigated sponsoring a Venturing Crew, and I've spoken with several Venturing leaders since Venturing was introduced.

      • #36
        Great, maybe some sanity is finally being presented.

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        • #37
          And so it starts.....

          Scout son is on Bus heading to the Summit as I write this.....

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          • jr56
            jr56 commented
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            Hope he has a safe trip, and an enjoyable experience.

        • #38
          Originally posted by skeptic View Post
          When I went to the 1960 Jamboree, the info we got for our council, Arrowhead Area in San Bernardino County, was $400 plus approximately $50 for uniforming, plus personal spending money and gear beyond what might have. My parents told me; "We will buy the uniforms". Somehow I was able to go; and they did only buy the uniforms, plus take me to the pre jamboree camp at George AFB and to and from the train in San Berdo. What is that in today's money? Who cares. It was one of the highlights of my youth, period.
          I've used ads from old Boys' Life magazines to run the numbers for uniform cost a few times; the uniform has basically stayed right on the nose with CPI inflation.
          In 1960, a complete basic uniform cost a total of $12.30 (including optional gaiters). That's ~95 2012 dollars, which is just about what you'd spend on a new uniform today. If your parents spent a whole $50, then you should have got 5 uniforms.

          You might have got 4 uniforms and a pair of official buster browns, or 4 uniforms and some combination of the fancy leather belt instead of the web one, or the nice metal neckerchief slide instead of the 15-cent braided one, or a couple pairs of the nice hiking socks. If you didn't get 4 or 5 uniforms, call your parents and tell them the jig is up and you want $100 for every uniform you didn't get in 1960, haha
          (1960 uniform prices: http://boyslife.org/wayback/#issue=w5LFTj36kJ8C&pg=72 inflation calculator: http://www.westegg.com/inflation/)

          I can't imagine anyone spending $500 on uniforms for jamboree, but a middle class family had a lot more disposable income in 1960 than it has today; even the lawyers and doctors that populate our troop balked at the 2010 pronouncement of complete uniforms all week in 2010.
          Last edited by Scouter99; 07-14-2013, 10:23 PM.

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          • skeptic
            skeptic commented
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            I think uniforming included required gear too, such as the duffle bag, and yes, a few Jambo only items such as extra patches, neckerchiefs, and such. Do not have any idea how much they may have spent, but I think I had three complete uniforms, but just my regular shoes with one extra pair perhaps. That was Colorado Springs on a ranch, and we certainly did a lot of walking. Showers were fun too. Still remember we discovered the best time to shower was about 2PM to 3PM when the sun was just right. Was a bit of a shock to be in view of passersby; the showers were enclosures with canvas sides, open at the bottom about 2 feet and going up to maybe a bit over 5 feet. So showering was generally done in swimming trunks or shorts because people could see under and over.

            Something that came out after the event that was probably more shocking then than now was that they arrested close to 500 prostitutes during the time it was on, and sent a number of scouts and more leaders home due to their choosing to meet said ladies. Kind of like camp followers I guess.

          • jblake47
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            I only had two uniforms at Jambo 2010, One to wear, one to wash and lay out to dry. It was hot and the uniform dried out quickly. As a matter of fact at times it got so hot, I washed my uniform and put it back on wet, it felt great!

            As far as showers go, 2AM to 3AM was optimal, NO LINES and no one else to peek where they weren't supposed to. Water was always nice and hot too.

          • skeptic
            skeptic commented
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            Our water 1960 sometimes got almost warm; but it came directly off the Rockies, so you can imagine.

        • #39
          When I went in 1969, I remember a total uniforming bill of about 215.

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          • #40
            Well feedback from scout son on the jambo to this point......The opening show was ok, but it really was horrible sitting in the sun for 3 hours at it.... The lines for activities are HUGE everywhere he went......There is no shade.... He hasn't decided if he is having fun yet or not.

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            • #41
              He should get a Brockabrella. These were huge back in the day. Don't know if they were marketed outside St. Louis, but everyone had one.

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              • Basementdweller
                Basementdweller commented
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                His sister bought one at the fourth of july festival.....

              • King Ding Dong
                King Ding Dong commented
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                They still make them???

            • #42
              STATUES! Unbelievable, whatever happened to just naming buildings or campsites?

              http://www.register-herald.com/jambo...Jamboree-begin

              The statues are Bob Mazzuca, Jack Furst, Wayne Perry, former Gov. Joe Manchin
              Last edited by RememberSchiff; 07-17-2013, 10:10 AM.

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              • ASM162
                ASM162 commented
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                People never seem to learn.
                Never make a statue of someone who is still living.

              • Brewmeister
                Brewmeister commented
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                Oh good grief. How big of an egomaniac do you have to be to allow anyone to make a statue of you?

              • Twocubdad
                Twocubdad commented
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                Back in the day, no one would dare erect a statue like this at a Scout camp. They wouldn't make it 24 hours before a couple creative Scouts would fit them with a pair of jockey shorts with half-can of Alpo in the back side.

                Wonder what the going rate is for scrap bronze?

            • #43
              I was hoping that the Summit would be cooler than AP Hill was.

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              • qwazse
                qwazse commented
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                Sorry JR. I should have warned you all that when the dog-days hit, there's no escaping the heat. The ridge-tops here just don't get that high (not that you want to be on a ridge-top in the afternoon with the kind of static that's in this air). Some of our prominent features are catching a lot of lightning strikes!

            • #44
              scout son txted that he waited over two hours today for the short zip lines and he isn't going to be able to do the big one....... hmmmmm....

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              • gsdad
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                My daughter won a ticket for the big zip and said she might wait in line to do it again. It was that fun.

            • #45
              Explain to me again why the scouts need to sit in the Arena for 1.5 hours before the show starts??????

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              • King Ding Dong
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                In the case of your regular concert at the auditorium it is to sell you more $10 beers and snacks. Hopefully that's not the case at Jambo.

                Maybe it is the same reason they make us wait in formation at camp for 10 minutes for the staff to mosey on down the road. Something about building character. If they all sat there peaceably for 1.5 hours they must have a lot of character.

              • Bando
                Bando commented
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                All I know is I hope the negativity you're continuously expressing about this Jamboree isn't being passed on to your son if/when he has spoken to you. You've griped about the uniforms, about the schedule, about the activities, about the arena show... Let the kid have a great time!

                If there's one thing I've learned in Scouting, it's the fact that adults tend to gripe about things, while the scouts manage to find a way to have a great time with what they have. That's what Jamborees are all about when all is said and done. Everyone is thrown into the crazy experiment together, and it's the participants' jobs to make it a great time for all involved. I've seen it firsthand at both Jamborees I attended. It's magical, and it's how these things go.
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