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    The cub master of our pack is in my opinion behaving unethically, The pack has been chartered for 14 years under their direction and in that time it has never had a checking account, they refuse to make available the pack financials open to the parents, scouts are not advancing in a timely fashion or receiving belt loops or badges for things they should, no support from COR, never even knew who CO was until a few days ago even that was beyond their willingness to relay, I got the info from being placed in the position of internet advancement processor. When confronted with this behavior, they blew up and acted very erratically and unprofessional. Any advice on what to do, the pack is in serious danger of dying there are only 5 active scouts in the entire pack, all others have left because of lack of activity in the pack, she won't allow the committee members to help, we have repeatedly asked, and it is refused but they complain about having to much on them... Not sure I want my son or myself to stay anymore in this unethical chaos.
    Last edited by Wolf Mom; 02-28-2014, 04:30 PM.

  • #2
    Well, they are volunteers, so acting professional won't get them a raise. This is a common story in small packs. Look around for another Pack with the accountability you think you deserve.

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    • Wolf Mom
      Wolf Mom commented
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      It's not the accountability for myself but for the children that are left and are honestly trying. They deserve better than this. I've taken it upon myself to be their voice. I want all these kids to have a positive experience not just mine.

  • #3
    Yep, find a different pack, let her be queen of nothing if that's what she wants.

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    • #4
      Yes, unethical. Find another pack. This one is DOA.

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      • #5
        You state your problem is with the Cubmaster, yet you keep saying "they". Since "they" have been doing their own thing for the past 14 years now, with the approval of your Charter Organization (which is?), I doubt that anything will change any time soon.

        Even with you as the Pack's "voice".

        With only 5 Scouts in the Pack, and the CO firmly behind the CM, this is no longer a viable Scout unit.

        Find a good, new, Pack, and take the rest of the boys with you when you transfer. They all deserve a real Scouting experience.

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        • Wolf Mom
          Wolf Mom commented
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          They being the CM & the COR,who happens to be the Committee Chair as well as the Executive Officer, Neither will return my calls, Myself & another Den leader were asked to be committee members, once signed up and agreed we were told by the CM that it would be on paper only, All other Den leaders have left, Tiger,& Bear The other volunteer who was asked to be a committee member was the Webelos Den leader, My husband took over the Tiger & Bear leader, he was already leader of Wolf pack with me being assistant den leader, so the kids could keep coming to meeting and doing activities to try and help them advance, The Webelos is working her son's book at home.This pack has no hiarchy as far as committee, I know I seem to keep beating a dead horse so to speak, but I honestly hate the thought of giving up as well. Could I take this to the council ?? and hope to get any support

        • ScoutNut
          ScoutNut commented
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          Your Charter Organization runs/owns your Pack. Councils will not step into the middle of a unit squabble.

          You might try contacting your District Commissioner, and asking for help talking with the CM, and the IH/COR/CC. The Dist Comm can't force them to change their ways, but he can at least try to talk some sense into them.

      • #6
        How difficult is it to Start a new Cub Scout Unit?? I ask this because the other unit is the only one close to many of the parents the others are 25-30 miles away, several in another state all together

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        • packsaddle
          packsaddle commented
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          It's easy to start one. Just approach your DE and the DE will literally jump at this opportunity to add a new unit number. The hard work is keeping it together and alive and healthy.

      • #7
        Starting a new unit is not that hard. You need a chartering organization, such as VFW, elks lodge, PTA, Church, or a business. You will need a place to hold meetings, leaders, and 6 scouts. The paperwork is a few pages of forms.

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        • DuctTape
          DuctTape commented
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          The Chartering Org can also be a "Group of Citizens", which can be the Committee.

      • #8
        This unit is dead. The two people who run this are in it for themselves. Are they married? I would not waste anytime with this unit any longer. Transfer out to another Pack and inform your DE and other parents. Cut your losses now.

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        • #9
          Wolfmom: Listen to all the above. The unit was formed under false pretenses. On face, it has only two officers, and I doubt if it was much different 14 years ago.. From your description, the two officers have no intention of being honest about the units finances or membership.
          Speak to the other parents and speak to the District Commissioner (name should be available on your Council website, or by phone to the Council office. As has been said, it is fairly easy to found a new Cub Pack, provided you have a new Charter Org lined up. That is the hardest part. Church, temple, volunteer fire dept. Lions Club, American Legion , I even know of a Cub Pack sponsored by a Hardware Store. So it doesn't even need to be a non-profit organization.
          Be true to your children's future and do not let these unfortunately led people spoil it (the future).
          Yours in Scouting.

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          • #10
            Just out of curiosity, how did you end up in this unit? Has it always just been crummy and you didn't know til you showed up? Did they trick you with a glitzy open house?

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            • Wolf Mom
              Wolf Mom commented
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              No Glitzy open house, Just a sign up in the Cafeteria at the Elementary school. And no I was not aware of the Packs shaky foundation until about 6 months ago,If I had been, I would have started questioning long before now. In all honestly I had no reason to question. Everything seems fine on the outside,But once I was asked to be a Pack Committee member, I said sure, and then I was told it would be on paper only, And I started to question the reasons WHY she wanted it on paper only. I've been a royal pain in their sides since. And I am determined to save this pack from what information I can gather from the old CM it used to be really big with other smaller community packs meeting with them from surrounding areas, So it hasn't always been in this shape, But I can't find out if it ever had a checking account or financial accountability in the past.

            • Wolf Mom
              Wolf Mom commented
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              No Glitzy open house, Just a sign up in the Cafeteria at the Elementary school. And no I was not aware of the Packs shaky foundation until about 6 months ago,If I had been, I would have started questioning long before now. In all honestly I had no reason to question. Everything seems fine on the outside,But once I was asked to be a Pack Committee member, I said sure, and then I was told it would be on paper only, And I started to question the reasons WHY she wanted it on paper only. I've been a royal pain in their sides since. And I am determined to save this pack from what information I can gather from the old CM it used to be really big with other smaller community packs meeting with them from surrounding areas, So it hasn't always been in this shape, But I can't find out if it ever had a checking account or financial accountability in the past.

          • #11
            Just curious, you said that you only recently discovered who your Charter Organization is.

            Who/what is your CO?

            BTW - you could have found out the information at any time by asking at your council offices.

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            • JoeBob
              JoeBob commented
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              Reminder: When you first join Cubs as a parent, you don't know anything.

              You don't know what a CO is; you don't know that you're part of a district that is part of a council, that has people that will sometimes answer questions.
              You basically have to trust the folks that got you involved in the first place, until you have a chance to learn a little more on your own.

              WolfMom: Find the other local parents that quit and start your own pack. 25 to 30 miles driving to other existing packs is not sustainable.

              Good Luck!

            • Wolf Mom
              Wolf Mom commented
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              I was not aware of any of this until recently, that their was a Chartered ORG,much less what the pecking order was, I also just found out that, the 3 positions are supposed to be different, that no one person is supposed to hold Chartered Org. Rep/Council Chair/Executive officer, But that the District Executive knows about it according to the CM, And that he is supposedly the one that done it.

            • Wolf Mom
              Wolf Mom commented
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              Our CO is the Lions Club
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