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- Mar 2005
08-28-2013, 02:34 PMEditing a commentSchiff: Super Scout?
RememberSchiff commented08-28-2013, 05:28 PMEditing a commentAnother nice one. Say any scouter discount for a Scout 1911? Would may a nice retirement gift for an ASM.
08-29-2013, 11:00 AMEditing a commentAt about $1500, a VERY nice gift!
- Dec 1999
I wonder if BSA (Birmingham Small Arms Company) ever sued BSA over their trademark? At one time they were the largest motorcycle manufacturer and their optics are still popular.
Merlyn_LeRoy commented09-03-2013, 08:34 AMEditing a commentOr the Business Software Alliance, which mostly exists to fight illegal software copying and IP infringement.
Kudu, I seem to remember the opposite, where someone pointed out that the BSA's trademark for youth groups wouldn't cover the name of a vehicle, since they can't really be confused with each other. But it was a long time ago that I saw that.
TSS_Chris commented09-05-2013, 03:17 PMEditing a commentMaybe the BSAs should join forces: Approach local businesses, and ask for a tour. At some point a cute young Scout asks "Wow, you sure have a lot of computers, can you show me the records stating you have appropriate software licenses for them all?" BAM! The troop turns the company in to the other BSA and collects the reward
It's a lot more lucrative than popcorn.Last edited by TSS_Chris; 09-05-2013, 04:33 PM.
King Ding Dong commented09-05-2013, 04:26 PMEditing a commentOr they could form an alliance with Hacker Scouts and train all the kids to become patent and copyright trolls. Big bucks.
- Jun 2013
This puts a lie to the claim by apologists for BSA discriminatory practices that all those excluded need to do is to create their own Scouting organization; eg, "Atheist Scouts", which I believe I've seen them offer. BSA holds a monopoly on Scouting in this country and they have a long history of suing anybody who tries to create an alternative Scouting organization.
qwazse commented09-07-2013, 10:51 AMEditing a commentDon't play semantics, friend. A naive prospect would immediately associate a youth movement with that name to the pre-existing movement. If someone proposed such a thing to you in the past, it surely was not to simply tape that name over existing BSA material and carry on, but to organize a youth movent on better and more nobly applied principles than the current movement,
Something like "Young Naturalists" would not infringe on the trademark. Of course, it might infringe one someone else's moniker. Start-ups have to do their homework.
Kudu commented09-08-2013, 08:33 AMEditing a commentSemantics? Scouting was a "pre-existing movement" when Congress picked the BSA as its American monopoly corporation, in EXCHANGE for the promise to define Scouting as the Scoutcraft program practiced on June 15, 1916.
A naïve prospect would immediately associate the BSA with "Scouting," but we pay a guy a million dollars a year to badmouth Scoutcraft in the name of Wood Badge.
It's as if Congress granted the Yellow Cab Corporation a monopoly on "Taxi" on June 15, 2016. You call for a taxi on June 16th, but a guy arrives at your house to teach you "leadership skills."
DWise1_AOL commented09-08-2013, 10:02 PMEditing a commentDon't play semantics, friend.
And I know better than to call your kind "friend".
Another youth movement with different name and different objectives would not be Scouting.
BSA holds a monopoly on Scouting in this country. Despite it's being held hostage by religious bigots.
A youth movement that is not Scouting is not nor have ever been the issue. We are talking about Scouting being available to all. If you want to exclude anybody, then you had damned well be able to provicde a cogent argument for their exclusion.
Officially published BSA policy provides no such support.
I know full well that apologists for BSA religious discrimination have advanced the "argument" that atheists could form their own "Atheist Scouts". I am also quite certain that that same argument has been posted on this very same forum. I know that such an "argument" is absolutely false and I know that proof of this is BSA's readiness to sue anybody over their "copyright".
- Dec 2007
Hacker scouts bow to continued BSA legal pressure and decide to change their name.
King Ding Dong commented09-26-2013, 01:57 PMEditing a commentGood to see the are taking it well. They have a Kickstarter page. I am going to make a small donation.
RememberSchiff commented09-26-2013, 02:08 PMEditing a commentThen again, if National's various servers start shutting down tonight...
09-27-2013, 08:20 AMEditing a commentThe former 'Hacker Scouts' could do more damage to BSA by leaving their current servers running!
It was a very valid defense.
---- You can create your own Pizza Hut, but ya can't call it Pizza Hut.
---- You can create your own McDonalds, but ya can't call it McDonalds.
---- You can sell your own Kleenex, but ya can't call them Kleenex.
---- You can creating your own scouting organization, but ya can't use scouts.
The Oakland group was leveraging the goodwill and reputation of the BSA program to create their own credibility. They wanted to ride the coattails of another group and muddy the waters on which program is which.
DWise1_AOL is just another faith hater damaged by their own lives and now looking to damage others.
It's not that they wanted to actually create another program as much as they want to change ours.
Dwise1_AOL ... May I suggest ... Atheist Youth Adventurers, AYA. ... Atheist Pioneers? ... Or UUA youth ?
- Apr 2012
The other thing is that "Hacker Scouts" is not a scouting organization at all, it's simply a youth organization, so there is little chance of confusion.
All that said, there is nothing keeping an atheist from starting a "scout-like" youth organization and calling it something else. I also know that the BPSA accepts atheists -- in fact their chief commissioner is an atheist.
Point taken. Legalistically, "Scouts" / "Scout" is not a trademark. But as you acknowledge, it is protected and essentially as good as a trademark. And many companies are under congressional charters. Girl scouts. Red Cross. American Legion. Etc.
As for trademark though....
It seems very clear though that "Hacker Scouts" is trying to leverage the good reputation developed over 100 years of Boy Scouts. BSA does have registered trademarks in Cub Scout(s), Boy Scout(s), Venturing Scout, Sea Scouts, Eagle Scout, Boy Scouts of America, Scout Shop, Scout Stuff, Scoutmaster, Scouting USA.
Hacker scouts knew very well what they were doing and that is why they choose the name. They just didn't think anyone would care. But BSA needs to defend the brand.
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