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  • #16
    There is nothing on the news here. Nothing on the national news that I have seen, though given how the national media picks and chooses what should be an issues I am not surprised.

    If there are Scouts or Scouters making political statements of ANY kind they should be sanctioned. Current rules preclude that.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by moosetracker View Post
      Krumpus you haven't been watching the news have you?.. There are scouters in uniform standing in open public squares spreading these hate messages with signs and public speechs. With kids all around them, be it youth scouts or just youths with their parents passing by a public place
      Only two words for a claim like that: Show. me. Social conservative that I am, NPR is my main news source and they cover gay issues like 97% of the population is gay rather than 3%, and they haven't said a peep. Not one HuffPost article in my FB newsfeed which has seen lots of anti-BSA content over the past year. This is the only photo I can find in a quick search that resembles what you're talking about: http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb...-gays-20130207

      What are you calling "hate speech?" "Stand strong" "Keep scouts morally straight"? Hardly hateful.
      Or do you simply take issue with Scouters advocating a position in uniform, hateful or not? I'm sure, then, that you're very disappointed that Zach Walls, Will Oliver, Jennifer Tyrell &c. have been wearing their uniforms to do the same. I'm sure that you denounce scouts/scouters who wear the rainbow square knot. I'm certain that you're cringing at the idea of the Inclusive Scouting Network exploiting youth in uniforms to read anonymous (and therefore unverifiable) letters from gay scouts to the media (http://www.inclusivescouting.net/201...the-gay-scout/). If you can stand their god-awful 1996 web design long enough to get to the photo galleries, I'm positive that it grates your nerves that Scouting For All activists wear their uniforms to their demonstrations (http://www.scoutingforall.org/data/p...AlbumMain.html)
      Indeed, it seems that for every scouter demonstrating support of the status quo in uniform, there are a dozen "reformers" demonstrating in their uniforms.

      So, we all agree that this is a problem and against the rules, but let's get serious: It's a you problem.

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      • #18
        There are two cotrolling policies on statements of political support or activism that apply to the uniform issue:

        1) The rules governing when and where to wear the uniform are clear. Essentially, if it is not a Scouting activitiy then its a no-no. I think we are all smart enough to know where the grey areas are. Wearing it to a 5k for breast cancer because the Scouts are doing a flag ceremony? Yes. Wearing the uniform because your troop is setting up chairs for service hours? Yes. Doing those same funcations at a political rally? No. When in doubt ask your council.

        2) As far as badges or patches like the rainbow knot, the Insignia Guide and BSA policy on approved licensees of BSA products are also pretty clear. If the temp patch is making a statement or supportive of a cause it cannot be worn. Period. That goes for gay rainbox ribbons, breast cancer ribbons, wound warrior patches, etc.

        In my troop we follow a simply policy: If it did not come from the Scout Shop, Council, District or OA we simply do not wear it. The ONLY exception are homemade neckerchief slides (as long as they follow guidelines), temp patches we do as a troop (very seldom and done through classB) for special events and that's it.

        I even asked an ASM to remove his "I Voted" sticker at a meeting last fall. Rather than invite argument or debate I thought it best remove it. He did...without question.

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        • NJCubScouter
          NJCubScouter commented
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          Krampus said:

          "I even asked an ASM to remove his "I Voted" sticker at a meeting last fall. Rather than invite argument or debate I thought it best remove it. He did...without question."

          I would say that's going a little too far. Obviously if it said "I voted for Smith" (or whoever), that should not be on the uniform. But if it's just "I Voted", and it's one of those temporary stickers that you wear once and throw away, and it's Election Day, I think it's a good example for the Scouts participating in one of the rights and obligations of citizenship. And that's one of the things we are supposed to be "teaching", in a non-partisan and non-political manner.
          Last edited by NJCubScouter; 05-14-2013, 09:14 AM. Reason: Fix my typo

        • Scouter99
          Scouter99 commented
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          Originally posted by Krampus View Post
          There are two controlling policies on statements of political support or activism that apply to the uniform issue:

          1) The rules governing when and where to wear the uniform are clear. Essentially, if it is not a Scouting activity then its a no-no. I think we are all smart enough to know where the grey areas are. Wearing it to a 5k for breast cancer because the Scouts are doing a flag ceremony? Yes. Wearing the uniform because your troop is setting up chairs for service hours? Yes. Doing those same functions at a political rally? No. When in doubt ask your council.
          False. http://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/201...tical-rallies/
          They may wear the uniform to perform a flag ceremony, but they must immediately leave, or change out of uniform.

      • #19
        Originally posted by NJCubScouter View Post
        Krampus said: "I even asked an ASM to remove his "I Voted" sticker at a meeting last fall. Rather than invite argument or debate I thought it best remove it. He did...without question." I would say that's going a little too far. Obviously if it said "I voted for Smith" (or whoever), that should not be on the uniform. But if it's just "I Voted", and it's one of those temporary stickers that you wear once and throw away, and it's Election Day, I think it's a good example for the Scouts participating in one of the rights and obligations of citizenship. And that's one of the things we are supposed to be "teaching", in a non-partisan and non-political manner.
        Yep. And I noted that when I asked him to take it off that it was a neutral sticker but did not conform with the uniform policy. Were it a temp badge, sure. We don't allow the Scouts to wear stickers so the policy had to be evenly applied to the adults. He understood and even agreed.

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        • #20
          Originally posted by Scouter99 View Post
          Originally posted by Krampus View Post
          There are two controlling policies on statements of political support or activism that apply to the uniform issue: 1) The rules governing when and where to wear the uniform are clear. Essentially, if it is not a Scouting activity then its a no-no. I think we are all smart enough to know where the grey areas are. Wearing it to a 5k for breast cancer because the Scouts are doing a flag ceremony? Yes. Wearing the uniform because your troop is setting up chairs for service hours? Yes. Doing those same functions at a political rally? No. When in doubt ask your council.
          False. http://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/201...tical-rallies/ They may wear the uniform to perform a flag ceremony, but they must immediately leave, or change out of uniform.
          I think what he meant was outside of flag ceremonies. At least that's how I read what he wrote. Doing flag ceremonies has always been allowed.

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