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    Has anyone heard anything about little girls being allowed to register in a cub pack? Not siblings of cubs along for an activity - but actually getting registered as a Cub Scout. I was at an event this weekend where a mom insisted that its totally ok and allowable to have girls registered in a pack. I heard in the UK they can do this. Wasn't sure about this side of the ocean.

  • #2
    As a dad of two little girls behind my cub scout, I wish that it were true.
    .... but I acknowledge it could get sticky. I think somebody would have to spend a lot of time thinking it through first, but off the cuff I can picture separate girl only dens working, under the same pack
    My little girls come on most all of the pack outings and many of den outings. They don't come to the den or pack meetings regularly though....

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    • #3
      Could not find it now, but about a year back there was a link to an article of one who did it.. I don't think they were registered under cubscouts though, but registered in a BSA program through learning for life.. So I am sure rank advancement really did not count. But, the pack treated them as equal and had them working towards the awards.

      So "No" to really truly.. But some people are getting creative to get it as much as they possibly can.

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      • Basementdweller
        Basementdweller commented
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        It was a learning for life unit ran by a catholic church and the picture had a latino young lady in a blue shirt with a tiger cub necker.

        I was very interested in how it was done. Learning for life is strictly the professionals domain.

    • #4
      I remember some one on this board posting they allow girls in their pack but I don't think they are registered. BSA is not likely to take such a move anytime soon. It would be viewed as an attack on GSUSA.

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      • Basementdweller
        Basementdweller commented
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        We ran a sibling den.....It was better than having the young ladies runnning the hallway.....Gasp, they did stuff out of the same book as their brothers.

        They were not members of the BSA, We briefly toyed with the Baden Powell Service Association for their den. Parents were ok with them learning Cub stuff with an interested parent, but paying money to join another scouting organization not so much.


        Sadly as the Adults associated with the Pack moved or crossed over we lost any interest in having a program for the girls.

      • mashmaster
        mashmaster commented
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        Eagledad I'm not sure about that. BSA openly welcomed American Heritage Girls until the decision separated them.

      • Eagledad
        Eagledad commented
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        There was an understanding with the GSUSA, I just don't know where it stands now. I am quite confident that the BSA has no desire to jump into anymore snake pits for awhile. Barry

    • #5
      My 8 y/o daughter would love that. She'd much rather be in Cubs the Girl Scouts

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      • dedkad
        dedkad commented
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        Has she looked into 4H? It's not just about animals. Our 4H is even offering rocketry.

      • Basementdweller
        Basementdweller commented
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        From my daughter, Girl scouts stinks.

    • #6
      Australian, British and New Zealand Scouts, among others, are co-ed. From Kea (Tigers), Cubs, Scouts, Venturers and Rovers.

      Takes a lot of testosterone out of the wild play. On the other hand we have to check that girls and boys are in seperate tents, take an appropriate number of female leaders along etc.

      I think co-ed is a good idea. BSA is a bit behind the rest of the world, just give it a couple more years.

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      • moosetracker
        moosetracker commented
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        Venturing was a hard sell, especially to girls who have not gone through BSA.. Yeah sure boy scouts can bring in new blood rather then live off feeder packs, but the program has to be awesome, few get their troops to that level, same with Venturing.

        It never got the acceptance of the rest of the scouting world. Since it competes for the interest of the older troop age boys, and is given the ability to finish off the eagle rank, they were set up to have to compete with the established BSA. The established BSA see them as a threat to their program. The established group is winning the war. I still hear of our council trying to do discussions about how Venturing is not a threat to the troop.. Yeah, few are listening.. I think the worst mistake was allowing the Eagle rank to be finished up in Venturing, The age may have still set off some feeling of competition, but at least there wouldn't have been a feeling that Venturing was competing to do the boy scout program itself. In all fairness, it really doesn't, at least around here very few earn their Eagle through the Venturing program.. All the more reason to remove it from the Venturing program. It removes the feeling of threat troops have for it, and it doesn't really effect the overall Venturing program, and it would help them to bury the hatchet with the Boy Scout program, which would help them more then the ability of being able to offer the Eagle award ever did.

        But the 18-21 age group is also hard to keep, either kids at that age is leaving home for out of state colleges or leaving school and going out in the working world. I have heard of some success with kids already in venturing before 18 who went to a local college, but only a little.

        Anyway, I wouldn't point to the success or failure of Venturing to be the indication of what happens if girls are part of the BSA program. The problems with the Venturing program has nothing to do with the girls.

      • Tampa Turtle
        Tampa Turtle commented
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        After travelling with some dutch scouts this summer I think co-ed is the way to go.

      • berliner
        berliner commented
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        but that is the problem: you cant introduce girls to venturing if they havent gone thrue the rest of scouting.
        In NZ the girls in venturing/rovers are most likely to have been in scouts since cubs.
        In our valley we had/have 3 scout groups with a total of 4 packs and 3 troops but only 1 crew.
        Especially from cubs to scouts it thins out as these days the parents make the kids choose between another activity/sport or scouts.
        Then after Queensscout (eagle) there is another drop with only hardcore scouts staying on for venturing or running district camps and what not.

        One thing I have realized in the past 3-4 years: nearly all scouts quit for a while, mostly college.
        But it is mostly these people that then come back with their own kids.

    • #7
      Just adding my two cents. Our den is pretty large this year and lots of siblings attend (boys and girls.) We let them all participate but they aren't registered. It helps keep them all occupied and they love doing stuff as well. We recently had our annual cuboree and all siblings participated in the activities with each den and earned a patch at the end (we had tons of extras so they all got one too.) Any way we can keep them all happy, I'm for. It beats telling a parent they can't bring them, then losing the scout too. I don't really have any opinion either way on girls joining cub scouting (I wouldn't be against it but I don't see it happening any time soon, either.)

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      • moosetracker
        moosetracker commented
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        Right Faith, so what you do and what others who welcome girls in whether registered or not, kill at least one argument from the nay-sayers. That boys develop slower, and so girls take away from their ability to be top dog in the den/Pack/Patrol/Troop.. If they are doing anyway, then girl superiority ick, is already part of the formula. Unless the boys don't get the inferior feeling because they get the bling, and the icky girls are denied bling.
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