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    I'm the archery range master for our day camp and I have a question for the board. They visit my range multiple times during the week and for the last time I wanted to make it fun. I was going to pin pinatas on the targets for the boys to shoot at. I'm staying away from humanoid shapes, but is it ok to have a cow shaped pinata? I'm trying to make it fun and not have parents getting upset for much ado about nothing.

  • #2
    Personally I don't think you need to do anything to spice up the archery and BB Guns. Most of the kids only get to do it once or 2x a year at the council events I think the normal targets are enough. They will be just as happy if they hit a bulls eye than a cow pinata.

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    • #3
      I'd steer clear of animal figures for cubs because someone's gonna make a fuss. Plus shooting a ton of arrows just for one target to bust is a recipe for chaos.

      Can I suggest balloons stuffed with a few pieces of wrapped candy (tootsie rolls or taffy work best)? Slide them into the balloon, inflate, string or tape to the target.

      The boys get the gratification of a "pop" and when they retrieve their arrows get their candy.

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      • #4
        I do believe that shooting at the forms of live animals is against the rules for Cubs. (I'm in the middle of PCS or I'd go get my Shooting Sports book.)

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        • Nike
          Nike commented
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          I don't believe it was in G2SS. I think it is in the Cub Scout Shooting sports manual or the camp standards. Like I said, this sticks in my mind because I wanted to shoot at dinosaurs and was shot down.

        • JoeBob
          JoeBob commented
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          Hey Nike, the sensitive types have mis-represented what the G2SS actually says. Make them show you where it is EVER in writing that you can't shoot at representations of animals.

          I took my styrofoam bear target to daycamp as archery director. The best score on the regular targets got to shoot at the bear. The boys were HYPED!
          And it was a lot cheaper than the icey-pops that I used as reward the year before.

        • JoeBob
          JoeBob commented
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          BSA National Shooting Sports Manual:
          http://www.scouting.org/filestore/Ou...f/30931_WB.pdf

          Page 78:

          Shoot the Monster
          Participants shoot at a monster face attached or painted on a
          one-gallon plastic bottle, suspended with shock card within
          a tire. The object is to hit the plastic bottle. This event can be
          scored individually or by den or pack.

          Spin the Insect
          A picture of an insect is glued to a piece of plywood 12
          inches square. The plywood is fastened so it will pivot freely
          around a centered bar set from post to post when struck with
          an arrow.

      • #5
        When I was a range master for archery at day camp years ago I had them play a game that the scouts thought was great. I would give them 5 arrows and they had to hit one arrow in each color. Even gave out awards if the scout did it.

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        • #6
          I say give it a shot (not pun intended) and let us know how it went. Sounds fine to me.

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          • #7
            Why not balloons???? I bought fun sized starburst and m&ms and for each balloon popped they got a candy from the bowl.

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            • #8
              How many rainbow-colored donkeys have you ever seen? It rather defies logic that you can't shoot arrows at a piñata but you can bash the snot out of it with a stick.

              I searched "animals" in the Shooting Sports Manual and got two hits:

              From the BSA Shooting Sports Manual, Section V, Cub Scout Shooting Sports:

              Chapter 10, "Archery" Page 78,"Archery Games and Activities", Spin the Insect A picture of an insect is glued to a piece of plywood 12inches square. The plywood is fastened so it will pivot freely around a centered bar set from post to post when struck with an arrow.

              Chapter 12, "Other Shooting Sports," Page 96, "Catapults and other Devices, "
              Targets may be made similar to those for archery and BB gun shooting. Creative targets may also be made that relate to the camp theme. Targets should not look like humans or animals."

              So you can shoot insect animals in archery but no animals with a catapult. Seems perfectly logical to me.

              We've discussed this in past years. This has nothing to do with safety, just political correctness. Do what you want. Sounds like fun to me.

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              • #9
                While making the archery and bb gun targets for our own summer camp (my husband is the range master this year), I ran into this same issue. A friend of mine drew 'mad science' themes on some used 'yard ads' (we were hanging mason jar tops from them for them to shoot at.) Not thinking about BSA rules, she drew a mad scientist on the top (not where they shoot but obviously a bb could hit up there.) When my CM saw that, she about crawled under my porch. It was stressed repeatedly at the next meeting, no people, no animals - whatsoever. On anything that involves 'aiming and shooting.' Another guy made a valid point that some of our scouts wouldn't even bother aiming at the jar lids but the scientist himself. So now those boards will be decoration and we made two more with abstract science images. So knowing this (and depending on how your group is), I'd steer clear any animals/humans. I realize humans are 'worse' to use but you really don't want to get it all set up to be told later on nope, re-do.

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                • Twocubdad
                  Twocubdad commented
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                  One of the sections I didn't cite allows for using "monsters" as targets. Perhaps your mad scientist qualifies as a monster?

                • King Ding Dong
                  King Ding Dong commented
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                  Pack,I have heard this one before. As in an animal crawling under your porch to die and making a big "stink" about something.

                  Twocub, in every pack there will be "that parent" who crawls under your porch for giving their son nightmares about having to shoot those scary monsters.

                • Faith
                  Faith commented
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                  @ Twocubdad, I wish ;_; The CM said absolutely not. I didn't even get to bring them as decor like I was told. Boo.

                  @ KDD, that made my morning, lol.

              • #10
                @ packsaddle, hahaha, I didn't even realize I worded it that way when I typed it. My mom is the queen of coming up with these off the wall phrases - no one knows where they came from or what they mean half the time. I made fun of her my whole life and now it seems I've adopted most of them as my own. I know I've heard of the phrase 'hid under a rock' when talking about someone being embarassed - this is our version. Apparently this somehow embarassed her (maybe she realized she never clarified or thought I'd be upset and refuse to continue or something) but her face turned a bright shade of red when she saw those particular ones and looked like she was struggling to get the words out that we couldn't use those. Of course I completely understood so all was well (and she joined us back on the top of the porch.)

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                • #11
                  I wouldn't put candy in the targets. I can just see some boys thoughtlessly running out there to get their candy before everyone is done shooting. Saw it happen once even when candy wasn't involved.

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                  • #12
                    Thanks for the feedback, I ran the idea past the camp leaders and they liked the idea even the district exec. The plan isn't to have one pinata but 5 pinata's attached to a target for 5 lanes and 5 lanes with Watermelons low and water ballons pinned to the target.

                    I'll let you know how it goes. I got most of these ideas from the scout day camp archery guide that I found on the net, and adjusted it slightly.

                    Has anyone ran a camp where you had boys test for the Pro archery levels? I don't know how I would logistically get the boys that have a shot at passing it take it. Some of these boys can barely nock an arrow.

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                    • #13
                      Hey Nike, the sensitive types have mis-represented what the G2SS actually says. Make them show you where it is EVER in writing that you can't shoot at representations of animals.

                      I took my styrofoam bear target to daycamp as archery director. The best score on the regular targets got to shoot at the bear. The boys were HYPED!
                      And it was a lot cheaper than the icey-pops that I used as reward the year before.

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                      • #14
                        So how many cub age boys do you think are interested in an archery test????? Maybe a few....

                        You must have a lot better equipment than our day camps do, be cause we are lucky if they can hit the 4 foot round and make it stick....We have the cheapo fiberglass bows and a mismash of 10 year old arrows....

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                        • JoeBob
                          JoeBob commented
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                          The fiberglass bows aren't that bad, Avoid the compounds for better fundamentals learning.
                          Get good fiberglass arrows. Crooked arrows do NOT fly straight.
                          Teach a consistent anchor point, and a clean release; and your cubs will start getting straight flights that hit hard enough to stick. Then they can adjust their aiming point to hit the target.

                          One year we had a target conflict with another camp, so I used haybales and paper plates. They were harder to set up, but easier to run.

                          Archery was the favorite station at our daycamps. Seeing your arrow sticking out of the bullseye was immediate feedback to holler about. BBs are more subtle (little holes in a paper target you see at the end of your round) and controlled.

                          I almost miss it. It was fun! But having to get re-trained every two years was my exit sign.

                        • packsaddle
                          packsaddle commented
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                          And, as my son learned the hard way, if the person in charge doesn't understand that left-handed people find it nearly impossible to use right-handed bows, someone needs to instruct the instructors.

                      • #15
                        Just pinning a normal small balloon to the target and letting the kids shoot at it worked great at ours.

                        Nothing fancy inside of it, just a big pop when they managed to hit it.

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