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  • #16

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    • jpstodwftexas
      jpstodwftexas commented
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      If that is they Type of Bus you Want to use go for it

  • #17
    I actually looked into it a little..Texas Exempts some portions of CDL for NONprofits. It Can be registered as a Noncommercial Vehicle. No I won't be renting out the Bus for hire. Meaning I won't have to have registration and inspection fees for every state it would drive through. Progressive said it could be covered as An RV which means I can get the same Price for Roadside Coverage for the same price of my Roadside Coverage I currently have on my Dodge 1500 4x4 Quad Cab seating 5 max. I am giving 15,000 for My Pickup I have a seller willing to sale one for 8500 if I can get financing.

    .. Fun as in Whatever the Boys Decide..No set Deadlines..No Patrols...No Mandatory Work on Merit Badges..No Mandatory You have to participate in a 20 mile 80 lb Backpack 6 am road march..No competition to pit Patrols against anyone to see who did what best.. I am going Up early Friday to help make sure we get a Campsite...I will set Up My Truck Tent and 3 Pop Up Canopies For kitchen Area..Taking Up Propane stove for kitchen..Area in Burn Ban, No Wood Fires Allowed. There goes the Trailer Mounted BBQ Trailer. Rest of Troop is caravaning up after 5:30 pm for almost 2 Hour Drive. Everyone sets up their own Tents...Boys decide if We explore one or all 3 caves at Turner Falls. How Long or If they Will Swim...how Long or if they will Hike...Or Explore the Castle...There will be No Campsite Inspections

    I do have a CD of Bugle Calls..Not sure Everyone in Public Camp will appreciate First Call...Reville..Assembly...Mess Calls..Attention...Flourishes...to The Colors...retreat...tattoo and Taps but we will see.....

    We will adhere to BSA safety Guidelines for activities. Everyone who is registered are required to Travel 2 and From in Class A. Parts A and B Physicals are required. Campground has lifeguards so we will not be requiring Boys to Be Lifeguards or Look Outs.

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    • #18
      Originally posted by eaglewolfdad View Post
      The nightmare would be a used bus breaking down in the middle of nowhere on a Friday night headed to an outing

      Same as Any Loaded Vehicle any Trip...Especially ones without Roadside assistance..Car with No Extra seating do not help if ones breaks down any ways

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      • FrankScout
        FrankScout commented
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        Sounds like we can't convince you that this isn't a good idea. You will need a MINIMUM of $1 million liability, and your roadside assistance is only as good as what the tow truck can fix on the spot. It's not easy to get a vehicle that can tow a bus. Your group will be standing at the side of the road for hours--they can't be in the bus while it's being towed. ONE tire will cost you around $300--flat tire is automatic tow---that runs into the hundreds.---don't try to save money by putting recaps on the front, it is against Federal and all State law. (because it's DANGEROUS!) You won't be able to get parts at Pep Boys or Autozone, and " Be Prepared" to pay 2-3X what you thought the parts would cost when you do locate them.

        Again, I work in the School Bus industry, so I know these facts all too well. Plus, over the last 42 years, our Troop has owned 2 School Buses--wasn't so bad when the SM was a mechanic, but after that, you're stuck. Try getting RID of a bus when you decide you no longer want it, or it's beyond repair---lots of fun there too! 1-877-Kars-4-Kids WON'T take it!


        Do you really still want to do this? It's not a question of "if" you have problems, it's a question of "WHEN" you have problems!
        Last edited by FrankScout; 08-01-2013, 10:28 AM.

      • FrankScout
        FrankScout commented
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        Duplicate Post.
        Last edited by FrankScout; 08-01-2013, 10:25 AM. Reason: Duplicate post.

      • Kristian
        Kristian commented
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        as someone who has gotten stuck in the snow, mud, ditch, flat tires often at odd hours in areas way out of cell range relying on a single vehicle would be a disaster.

    • #19
      As a parent, I would be extremely hesitant about putting my son on bus that was not owned and run by a professional bus company. I would make up some excuse, like being in the area, no trouble to drop son off, etc. Or skip the trip entirely. Have you got a sense of whether people in your troop would actually want to use your bus?

      Also, I noticed you mentioned a CPAP. If this were an indication of medical issues that might impact driving, I would run, not walk, away. I am sorry if this sounds harsh.

      It sounds as though you have a lot of energy and commitment. Are there merit badges that you could be a counselor for, instead of doing the bus thing?

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      • King Ding Dong
        King Ding Dong commented
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        I have to carry a marine deep cycle battery with me on camping trips, must weigh 50lbs. No backpacking for me. If you use the the CPAP you are healthy. If you don't, it is just a matter of time before you keel over from stroke or heart attack or worse drift off at the wheel because you did not sleep well.

        If you hear someone snoring there is a good chance they have apnea. Watch out.

      • packsaddle
        packsaddle commented
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        "...or worse drift off at the wheel because you did not sleep well."

        I have always maintained that it would be far better to die peacefully in sleep like my grandfather.....and NOT screaming in terror like his passengers.

      • packsaddle
        packsaddle commented
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        Just a little dark humor there.....

    • #20
      I live in a smaller area and thankfully our local school lets us use a bus for our Cub Scout trip every year. We have to provide a licensed driver (thankfully my dad is a teacher AND a bus driver for the school) and pay for fuel.

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      • #21
        I'm not sure the risk/reward works for me but that's me. There is a troop at the summer camp we've attended that shows up in a church bus with a van pulling their trailer. They bring 30 or 40 kids every year. It sure looks easier than having to wrangle 8 or 10 drivers to make that happen for them. They travel 5 or 6 hours to the camp so I can't imagine many folks being willing to drive to drop and then drive to pick up. As far as charter services go, our bus to Jambo broke down both ways. Transmission problem on the way out (vacuum line) and blown tire on the way back. The other buses in the contingent rescued us or we'd have spent the night in Indiana. Knowing the maintenance record of a bus might be better than trusting a company concerned about profit and gross margin. Just sayin.

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        • FrankScout
          FrankScout commented
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          KDD, there are minor differences state to state, but most of the regulations are based on Federal requirements.

        • dcsimmons
          dcsimmons commented
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          FrankScout. I don't doubt that's true. I am an admittedly small sample size. That said, 6 buses out to Jambo, 6 buses back, 3 failures along the way for our contingent. They won't be on my short list if I ever need to charter another bus for something .

        • FrankScout
          FrankScout commented
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          Three failures! Wow, I hope that had at least access to nearby repair facilities or replacement buses. Sure, I'd be soured too after that. I guess my point was that a professional company is better equipped to handle such things than a single Scout Troop. I certainly hope they "Did Their Best!"

      • #22
        I don't know what the answer is but transportation in certainly a limiting factor in many troops. I can see the appeal of a bus but the costs are very high. Can passengers ride in a 5th wheel trailer? If so and it is safe, that could be a solution.

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        • packsaddle
          packsaddle commented
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          5th wheel riders: illegal in SC, GA, FL, lots of others. Same for other trailers. Some states do allow riders in 5th wheel but like 5 years says below, it's a bad idea and even when it's legal it usually comes with restrictions.

      • #23
        If one car breaks down and you have 8 on the trip, you have enough coverage to shuttle the boys to the destination while the broken vehicle gets towed. If a bus breaks down, a commercial bus the passengers wait on the side of the road for many hours waiting for the company to go and get another bus, if one is available, or they'll arrange for transportation because that's part of what you pay them to do. if you are the only bus, you have to call all the parents to come and get all the scouts and transport them somewhere while you figure out the towing and repair for the bus It takes the issue of a broken down vehicle and multiplies it by a factor of 10 for cost, how long standing by the road and frustration rating.

        Passengers should not ride in a 5th wheel. It is not safe.


        Most of our places we camp involve driving an interstate highway to get to a 2 lane hiway, then to a gravel road with sharp turns and then some mud if lucky some cinders. Depending on weather that may be dry and nice or muddy and yucky. Busses aren't meant to go on the stuff past the 2 lane highway level/surface-city streets. A bus on gravel roads sucks for traction, the little ruts in the road are magnified exponentially to shake the fillings loose in your head.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by Eliza View Post
          As a parent, I would be extremely hesitant about putting my son on bus that was not owned and run by a professional bus company. I would make up some excuse, like being in the area, no trouble to drop son off, etc. Or skip the trip entirely. Have you got a sense of whether people in your troop would actually want to use your bus?

          Also, I noticed you mentioned a CPAP. If this were an indication of medical issues that might impact driving, I would run, not walk, away. I am sorry if this sounds harsh.

          It sounds as though you have a lot of energy and commitment. Are there merit badges that you could be a counselor for, instead of doing the bus thing?
          Do You Ask to see every parents Medical records prior to Letting your scout ride with them. I highly doubt every who Snores admits to a Sleeping Disorder...Every One who snores has sleep apnea which cause Drowsiness. My CPAP keeps me breathing allowing me to get full rest...I do Teach Merit Badges by the Way... Nature, Pets, and Reptile and Amphibian Study for Now may do more later.

          It is just an Idea...
          just like building a BBQ Rig with a Chuck Box or A Trailer with a Small Cabin and the BBQ Rig with Chuck Box
          just like Building a Nature Center at our Camp
          just like trying to get an OA Lodge Built and OA Call out Area
          or a Climbing Tower at Camp

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          • Eliza
            Eliza commented
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            My apologies again about the CPAP. I was obviously mistaken about what it's used for. No, something that helps someone get a good night's rest would NOT be a concern.

        • #25
          Originally posted by 5yearscouter View Post


          Most of our places we camp involve driving an interstate highway to get to a 2 lane hiway, then to a gravel road with sharp turns and then some mud if lucky some cinders. Depending on weather that may be dry and nice or muddy and yucky.
          Wow I feel Deprived now, Since Every place we go we have to stay on the Paved parking Areas..and Our State Parks don't afford Off Roading Experience. Granted Texas does have a few potholes

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          • #26
            Originally posted by perdidochas View Post
            Your "Scout Fun Trips" sounds like Cub Scouts. We do occasionally cook for the boys, and have special events (have shown movies at campouts), but honestly, I'm too lazy to set up the tents, etc. for a troop of boys.
            Feel free to pop by and look at the Pictures of Our "Fun" Trip https://www.facebook.com/johnpaul.st...4053599&type=3

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            • #27
              Originally posted by jpstodwftexas View Post
              Originally posted by 5yearscouter View Post


              Most of our places we camp involve driving an interstate highway to get to a 2 lane hiway, then to a gravel road with sharp turns and then some mud if lucky some cinders. Depending on weather that may be dry and nice or muddy and yucky.
              Wow I feel Deprived now, Since Every place we go we have to stay on the Paved parking Areas..and Our State Parks don't afford Off Roading Experience. Granted Texas does have a few potholes
              You should get off the beaten path with your scouts more. Our state parks are mostly big RV parking lots, so we don't take the scouts to those except way once in a while. I don't like camping in a big gravel camping area with the sound of generators all around.

              Dispersed camping areas, national parks, even private land around someone's remote cabin can make for some great scout outings. Most of our forest service roads have no pavement, I didn't think TX had paved over everything!?

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              • Khaliela
                Khaliela commented
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                Now I don't feel so bad; I was starting to get an inferiority complex because we don't have an interstate in the county I live in. (Closest interstate is two counties North.) There is a 2 lane HWY you can use to get to the County Seat, otherwise it's mostly unpaved county roads or National Forest Service roads in even worse condition. LOL

                As for dispersed camping, around here the National Forest provides plenty of opportunities, so does the Idaho Department of Lands. You can also get a pass to camp on BLM Lands. If you're willing to do community service and can make friends with the right people you can camp on property owned by the Department of Fish & Wildlife or the CORE. And if you're up for a walk and aren't too worried about possible nudity there are plenty of Wilderness areas to choose from.

              • King Ding Dong
                King Ding Dong commented
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                Someone years ago told me there is no law against nudity on federal lands. What is the story on that ?

                I am trying to decide what would be more terrifying. Stumbling upon a grizzly or a nude Scouter ?
                Last edited by King Ding Dong; 08-06-2013, 10:56 PM.

              • Khaliela
                Khaliela commented
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                KDD: Why would nudity be illegal? I guess the thinking is, that far out clothing is superfluous. We have many designated wilderness areas in Idaho and most of them boast natural hot springs, which draws people who wish to go bare. There are some nude hiking clubs across the state so encountering someone naked while hiking in the woods is always a possibility.

                Standard rule of thumb here is: The more remote the area the more likely you are to encounter weird people. That could be the happy-naked-hiking-granola or it could be the scary-gun toting-white supremacists with more ammunition slug across his chest that I would shoot in 10 years.

                When it comes to grizzlies vs naked hikers; I've encountered both and the naked hikers are far more friendly. (Though the bear was at a distance and only happened once so it's not an adequate sample.) As for naked scouters, I'm the only one I've ever met . . . pitty.

            • #28
              a lot of neigh sayers on the bus here.....
              I say, hey if you can afford it and have considered the pitfalls, go for it!

              I was looking into charting a bus last year for our pack's trip to Charleston SC. The old guard of the committee sort of poo pooed the idea so I didn't get traction. I should have just put it out to the 25 families going to find the level of interest. Personally, I have fond memories of the band and scout trips I took as a kid on chartered buses. Everyone is together and having fun..... and everyone arrives at the same time which make the life of the person leading the trip much easier! the way it was, everyone wanted to leave at slightly different times and do their own thing....
              The budgetary costs I found were in line with my out of pocket for driving just me and my son by ourselves.....
              I was wishing that my CO (church) had church busses like many do....

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              • #29
                Are minibuses not popular on your side of the pond? They are widely used over here. Cheers Gareth

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                • #30
                  Everyone Has Land to Camp on...Everyone Seems to have Unlimited resources to Get Scouts there..Come to North Texas you will be disappointed in Our State Parks if you have 1000's of Acres to Play in..Our State Parks have Paved Roads..Water and Electricity at Campsites..and Drive Up Parking. We do have hiking, bike and Horse Trails..So We could Take 1 Bus or 8 Cars to get everyone there..1 bus makes more sense to me

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