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  • #31
    On keeping down bags dry, unless you are on a floating expedition or your bag gets wet while in the tent, I have a hard time visualizing the circumstance where a properly packed sleeping bag would get wet.
    In spite of the daily (all except one) showers that nailed us on the trail last year I had no gear suffer the indignity of being wet except for my worn clothing( and then only to the degree it got wet before I got my Jacket on). No one in our crew had any issues on the Trail either.
    Now in Camp we did have four folks wind up with 1/2 soaked sleeping bags but that wasn't a packed situation (2 tents flooded due to staffed camp siting of our tents) and they recovered nicely - their bags were completely dry on day two after the wetting. Two down/Two synthetic - the down bags were actually dry before the down bags.
    While I concur that wet synthetic will keep you warmer than wet down - neither is a joy to sleep in, and if I had to I think I'd put on my extra clothing, Rain suit and then put the wet insulating layer over the top rather than try to sleep in the bag anyway.

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    • #32
      As far as a sleeping bag goes, actually I am not going to be using one. I am switching to top quilts. If you are not familiar with TQs, they are like a sleeping bag with a V cut back (bottom), following the practice that any down or synthetic insulation on which you sleep (compress) does not provide you but a very negligable amount of insulation. Your sleeping pad should provide you with sufficient warmth/insulation from the ground. These are popluar amongst hammock sleepers and ultralight enthusiasts.

      With winter approaching, I will be getting a 20 TQ, which weights just about 20 oz. As the weather warms, I will pick up a 40 TQ (15 oz). I will loan one of these to my son when he goes to Philmont next summer. It is easy to supplement with a additional clothing layers to get camp in temps below the rated temps. Thus carrying a 15 oz TQ is much better on the back (pack weight) than a 2-3 lb synthetic sleeping bag.

      We did some planning, and figured out he could get a base weight of around 11-12 lbs (minus clothing) before adding food, water and fuel. This includes the entire tent (not divided) AND a 10x12 silnylon tarp. But it also assumes a minimal amount of cooking gear for simpler meals which only require boiling water and no clean up.

      As for food, I have plenty of resources of experienced Philmonters here from whom I can seek advice. I just felt it was quicker and easier to poll the campfire gang first to get some ideas. Thanks for all the input, and feel free to keep the ideas coming. (This message has been edited by Buffalo Skipper)

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      • #33
        slightly dated, but still useful
        http://www.lepp.cornell.edu/~seb/philmont.html

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        • #34
          Years ago I bought an REI down -0- degree F bag.

          It keeps me warm when the night gets below 55F.

          It keeps me warm when the night gets down to -0- F.

          It sees a lot of use

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          • #35
            I would advise against the one man tent - while the on-the-ground-enforcer of rules is your Ranger, they reportedly vary in their enforcement.
            Ours in 2010, one of the worst Bear incident years in quite a while, would NOT have allowed us to go on the trail with one person tents. His stated rationale was that the two man tents especially when set up in a group, look like something the Bear doesn't want to investigate. A one person tent looks like a snack size burrito.
            All of that said I really like the TT Rainbow and would like to have one for myself now that the kid is moving on to other activities for now. But my son and I together and separately have always used an ALPS Mountaineering Extreme 3 at Philmont (because we have it, because we often keep all of our gear IN with us, because it has been our primary home away from home for about 6 years, because it is bombproof, and because he was willing to carry it - 8+ pounds)

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            • Krampus
              Krampus commented
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              "Snack size burrito" [snicker]

              Yeah, regiment style and keeping your smellables to zero is paramount!

          • #36
            3 crews back from Philmont. Everyone had a good time. Was concerned a few adults who went did not take training seriously and were over-weight (very over-weight). They struggled but made it...and hopefully learned that they need to drop 50lbs if they ever do that again.

            Sadly, two leaders with two other crews were not so lucky. One died of a heart attack. The other we suspect died under similar circumstances but nothing official from Philmont.

            Encourage your leaders to REALLY get in shape, have a detailed set of cardio work done and do it AT LEAST a year in advance so you have time to get in shape. It ain't worth going to such a wonderful place only to go on a one-way ticket. Philmont *IS* a tough place...and we ain't 20 anymore and bullet-proof.

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            • #37
              I did Philmont at age 50. I did okay, but I weighed 175# and had trained for 9 months prior. I could run up and down hills all day long with a 50# pack on. Hit the thin air of Philmont and it was a whole different story. At 17 weighing 135# I don't know if it would have been any different. But if I were 200#+ I don't know what I would have done, it would have been miserable. We took the most difficult trek, the 5 major peaks of Philmont. Now that I'm 63, I don't think I would attempt it anymore.

              Stosh

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