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  • #16
    Why exactly does a Eagle BOR have to approve the project? Other than a 45 minute meeting with one Council representative to explain the project and get approval, mine was done completely at a Troop level.

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    • qwazse
      qwazse commented
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      That's how our council operates. Other councils don't want to entrust that responsibility to any single adult.

    • perdidochas
      perdidochas commented
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      Our council works the same as above. The thing is, that doesn't leave it up to a single adult. At the point of council approval, three adults have already approved the project.

    • fred johnson
      fred johnson commented
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      This has been discussed before, but it's a hot button topic for me. Our district had a bad Eagle proposal approval process years ago and it's fixed now. The headaches of the proposal approval both scared away and also blocked multiple scouts from achieving eagle.

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      And, I must admit I'm glad our district no longer has an Eagle BOR to approval Eagle project proposals. We have one guy. The scout calls him, schedules a meeting, meets with him ... and if everything is good ... he'll sign it right then and there. It all occurs usually within a week of the scout calling the guy and less than an hour of face-to-face time. If he's not available, another district advancement team guy is available to review and approve.

      This is consistent with BSA GTA sections 9.0.2.1 and 9.0.2.7 which reminds us as leaders and reviewers to be sensitive of a scout's time as he should be of ours.

      Plus the new Eagle workbook has it nice and clean. There is ONE SIGNATURE location for one council/district person to sign. I think that is right.

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      IMHO, a committee review of the proposal does nothing to help the scout succeed and only can create headaches and failure points. IMLTHO, it serves more to promote the Eagle rank pompousness and does nothing to help the scout succeed.

      I've seen one version of committee review and it was hell. Years ago, we also had one contact, but there was a committee who would review and discuss each eagle project. It was a major obstacle and took a month or more to get approval.

      -- Seen the status and review progress get lost in emails between the committee of app rovers.
      -- Seen the review coordinator contact the scout asking for another proposal copy because they lost it.
      -- Seen the committee reviewing different versions.
      -- Seen the committee stalled because of missing people.
      -- Seen the committee have different review findings each review cycle because different people were available and each person has his own agenda and hot button items.
      -- Seen the committee force scouts thru five review cycles taking three months to complete.

      Best solution is a quick, face-to-face, review and get it done. The BSA GTA has no discussion of a Eagle project "proposal" BOR.

      IMHO, council/district proposal approval is a safe guard and should happen quick and easy and should in no way impede the scout.

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      IMLTHO ... in my less than humble opinion

  • #17
    Now the rest of the story.

    They made the correct decision to not allow him to start.

    a Shame his scoutmaster failed to help guide him along.

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    • Twocubdad
      Twocubdad commented
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      I disagree. That decision was the Scout's to make, not the district.

  • #18
    Base,

    Actually, the SM was the one who told me the scout gave up. SM encouraged him, told him what needed to be done several months ago, etc, but "No one is going to give it to him. He has to do the work." I know dad had a hard time saying that and living up to it, but son knew all along the deadline.

    Mom on the other hand, the one who called me up and told me the first story, is not happy about the situation, or the ex whom she thinks is not getting involved enough to fix the "problem."

    Again I think there is a lot more behind this.

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    • qwazse
      qwazse commented
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      Sounds like you almost got sucked into the perfect storm! Talking to the SM was the best move you could make. Have fun talking to your friend (if you haven't already).

    • Eagle92
      Eagle92 commented
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      Perfect storm is an understatement.

  • #19
    There is alway more and more to the story.

    So the SM didn't fail....boy fail.


    Twocubs.....the boy had a week to do 5 merit badges and an eagle project.

    I think the district did the right thing.

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    • #20
      I can think of a few cliche to describe this..."we learn more from failure than we do from success", or "that which does not kill us makes us stronger". Looks like somebody learned a life lesson, and will probably be better off for it.

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      • #21
        So did the boy go and have his project rejected because the District people thought he didn't have enough time and then give up? Did he give up before meeting with the District people, but meet with them anyway?
        If he wanted to do it and "gave up" because suddenly everyone told him no, that's a shame.

        In the abstract, it is still not a district's business/problem as to the time left to finish the project, only to approve or decline the project based on whether or not it fulfills the requirements.

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        • #22
          Its a hard decision. They shouldn't have rejected the project due to the time limit, if the project could have been completed. But with the 5 Merit Badges left, they also have a duty not to "string the boy along". They approve the project, but then what? The boy won't earn eagle without the poorest, shadiest merit badge councilors signing off on some half-assed rush jobs. So maybe its best that the boy gets his "no" on the Eagle now. But he can still go ahead with the project for his own/troops growth, if he wants to complete it. Any odds that will happen?

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          • JoeBob
            JoeBob commented
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            "The boy won't earn eagle without the poorest, shadiest merit badge councilors signing off on some half-assed rush jobs"

            Maybe not. In 2 years my son has accumulated 4 partials that require some simple, but incomplete, activity to complete. (Motorboating - 'Look up the regs for your state'). Since I'm his SM, I try extra hard not to helicopter him; he can finish those MBs when he gets motivated.

          • qwazse
            qwazse commented
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            The tough part is making it clear to a boy (and in this case the parent) that it's a good project but his chance of Eagle even if he completes it are slim. The hard part about a BOR giving the go-ahead is that the main reason is to ensure the project is appropriate for rank advancement and that nothing is overlooked that might prevent the boy from completing the project for the purposes of rank advancement. If the board now has project plan, but advancement is effectively off the table, why does the boy need their approval?

            Age 18 is a tough time. It's hard to finish what you start because life is changing so fast. If advancement was the only thing pushing this boy to complete the project, maybe the most thoughtful thing to do is help a boy see the writing on the wall and not start what he'd likely not finish.

          • perdidochas
            perdidochas commented
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            JoeBob,

            My oldest was in that same boat--several partials. He completed two of them fairly quickly after he realized that he could get an EBOR before Christmas.

        • #23
          This is one hornets' nest I am running with my life away from. I'm friends with both mom and dad, and I aint asking anymore questions form them.

          I'm going straight to the horse's mouth, the Life for Life Scouter, next time I see him, to find out what happened

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