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  • #31
    Originally posted by Brewmeister View Post
    This is a false analogy.
    It is not an analogy.

    The distain with which most boys hold schoolwork Scouting is literal, not figurative.

    Simply put, we can destroy any sport by doing to it what Merit Badges and "leadership skills" do to Scouting. All we need is a government-imposed monopoly. What modern Republicans call "socialism."

    Originally posted by Brewmeister View Post
    The purpose of football (or any sport) is to teach the players to play football. Period.
    That is exactly wrong. Period.

    Ask any parent why their son participates in sports. You will get idealistic reasons similar to your so-called "purpose of Scouting" (teamwork, sportsmanship, exercise, sharpness of mind, mental strength; emotional, psychological, and social health; self-esteem, self-worth, peer status, peer acceptance, etc.).

    The difference between sports and Scouts is that, in a free market, we can not replace ball proficiency with schoolwork and office management "teamwork" metaphors. Boys would simply leave a Scout-like office cubical sport, unless their parents forced them to add a Heisman Trophy Award to their resumes for earning seatwork Personal Management and Citizenship hat pins in a game with the 300 feet removed from between end zones.

    But woe be unto any boy who cheapens the integrity of seatwork football's highest award by earning all 134 classroom hat pins by the age of thirteen!

    Originally posted by Brewmeister View Post
    Even the congressional charter, which you often cite, specifies a much broader purpose of Scouting: "[T]he ability of boys to do things for themselves and others." Scoutcraft is but one part of that; "teaching" is explicitly cited as another.
    The Charter lists Scoutcraft as one of the three aims of Scouting. What all adults who love schoolwork Merit Badges (and office cubical Wood Badge) omit is the Charter's primary stipulation: "using the methods that were in common use by boy scouts on June 15, 1916."

    The purpose of the Congressional Charter was to establish a government-imposed monopoly to protect the YMCA's adult-led night school/summer camp program from competition from real Scouting.

    HOWEVER, That was in return for Scoutcraft as it was defined in 1916 (based on a lite version of the First Class Journey).

    Our Scouting monopoly is typical of socialism in general: Most "21st century" Eagle Scouts can not pass the First Class Scoutcraft tests of 1916.

    So we make indoor Scouting's primary "ethical choice:" Rather than cancel after-school school, we cheat millions of red-blooded American boys out of the Scoutcraft program guaranteed to them by an Act of Congress.

    And we wonder why they leave.

    Yours at 300 feet,

    Kudu

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    • Brewmeister
      Brewmeister commented
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      I don't disagree with your assessment that there is too much "homework" in the scouting program; merit badges in particular. However, earning those badges is not required for participation in the program. Call them "electives." Just like players who are most interested in the football program will spend time on their own studying play books, game film, in the weight room, etc., to gain the most from the program and achieve excellence in their craft, so will boys who are the most interested in the scouting program make use of all it has to offer, including time playing on the field (camping) and on their own (merit badges).

      You draw the equation Scouting=Camping. However, Scouting is more than simply a camping club. The fact that scouting offers more and has a broader mission than you would prefer is a strength of the program, and not a weakness.

      As to boys leaving scouting, boys are leaving sporting programs as well. Little league participation has been steadily declining, and that certainly is not because it has replaced batting practice with bookwork.

  • #32
    Just turned in my Merit Badge Councilor application.

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    • moosetracker
      moosetracker commented
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      Sign up for counseling a few merit badges, or all 134?? Don't laugh, I have heard of people who have come close to it.. 50 or 75 of them at least.

  • #33
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    It is not an analogy.

    The distain with which most boys hold schoolwork Scouting is literal, not figurative.

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    The reaction from my son when he attended his first Merit Badge roundtable "this is just Saturday morning school. Can we go fishing instead." It also prompted him to say he wanted to leave Scouts, but stayed in when I said he could skip merit badges and just have fun on the trips.

    Yes, he eventaully decided to set Eagle as a goal but still disliked more merit badges than he liked.


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    • #34
      Having fun in the woods is great stuff. However, one purpose of Scouting is to develop the mindset of approaching adulthood. It may seem a long way off, but some of us are slow learners.

      For this reason, Personal Management is one of the more important merit badges on offer. Way too many families are living paycheck to paycheck (or worse), yet their homes are chock-a-block with the latest bling. If they had learned the rudiments of budgeting and planning, they may have been better able to weather the economic storms that appear in all our lives. The only change I would make to Per. Mgmnt. is to show how to balance a checkbook and what happens when you're overdrawn.

      100 mb in 3 years? That's 3 per month, so doable with good PERT and CPM skills as some mb only take a day even if done correctly. Even more impressive, though, would be 40 - 50 merit badges plus the Hornaday Medal.

      (Wow! This site seems to work a lot better!)

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      • Kudu
        Kudu commented
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        That's how the human brain works: When we combine two things that have nothing to do with each other, the brain forms connections.

        So if we take the basketball out of basketball, and replace it with the school subjects that Boy Scouts hate, then adults who hate basketball will be attracted to the sport, start singing "Back to Gilwell," and get all weepy about their fond memories of budgeting, planning, and balancing basketball checkbooks.

        Boys who hate homework will quit basketball and join Boy Scouts.

        I call that a Win - Win!

      • Brewmeister
        Brewmeister commented
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        I think it's always been clear where you are coming from here--learning how to corral a runaway horse is a skill that is still relevant to the mission of Scouting, whereas personal management is not. That view will continue to shape your outlook of course.

      • Kudu
        Kudu commented
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        I don't recall the term "corral" in the 1916 requirements.

        Why is it that people like you, who believe that Scouting needs things like "missions" and personal management, insist on screwing millions of boys out of the Scoutcraft program guaranteed them by an Act of Congress?

        Why can't you do both?

        Spend ten (10) minutes (minutes) on how to help in case of runaway horse (which all red-blooded American boys would want to know), and ten (10) months (months) on personal management (which all red-blooded American boys hate, have always hated, and will continue to hate until the end of time)?

        Personal management classes belong in high school basketball, not Scouting.

    • #35
      Mixed emotions on this latest discussion. As someone who deals with teens and college students with no involvement in Scouting, I can see the difference. And I do believe part of it is some of the "paper pushing" MBs. BUT I think that there may be ways to incorporate aspects of these MBs in the 'Outing" portiong of Scouting.

      Take budgeting for example and Personal Management. Apply it to weekend and HA trips.

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      • moosetracker
        moosetracker commented
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        It's a nice plan Eagle92, but you have to remember that our Adult Leaders are not educational professionals.. They kind of fall into the schoolwork stuff because they don't know how to work with youth, so they go back to what they know from their school years.. What you talk about would take a very creative educational professional to pull off, someone who knows the outdoors well and creative teaching methods for Personal Management and can marry the two..

        Me personally I stay away from Personal Management, not my bailiwick,, Some scout somehow got the impression I did Personal Management and ask if I would be his councilor, the group of Adult Leaders around me fell down laughing.. I have this feeling some other Adult leader set this poor kid up as a prank..
        Last edited by moosetracker; 12-05-2013, 11:06 AM.

      • perdidochas
        perdidochas commented
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        My son used a campout he had planned as part of Personal Management.

      • boomerscout
        boomerscout commented
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        Moose:
        It's not that hard. In October the PLC tells everyone summercamp will cost $250. They tell everyone they need to save $25 per month or $6 per week. Here's the gear list; go to Scout shop and price it out; talk to the others about cheaper sources. Here's the fundraisers we've planned between now and then.
        Even pricing out the foodlist for the upcoming weekender would be good training. Compare prices at Grocery A with those of Grocery B.
        For info on loans and credit cards, send them to the nice lady at the bank. For stocks and the stock market have them take Junior Achievement. Whoops, that would be in a classroom
        Last edited by boomerscout; 12-05-2013, 02:40 PM. Reason: added observation
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