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  • Life requirement 6 as a Venturer

    For a young man who is planning on continuing his Boy Scout rank advancement through Venturing, how do you think requirement 6 should be handled?


    While a Star Scout, use the EDGE method to teach a younger Scout the skills from ONE of the following six choices, so that he is prepared to pass those requirements to his unit leader’s satisfaction.
    a. Second Class—7a and 7c (first aid)
    b. Second Class—1a (outdoor skills)
    c. Second Class—3c, 3d, 3e, and 3f (cooking/camping)
    d. First Class—8a, 8b, 8c, and 8d (first aid)
    e. First Class—1, 7a, and 7b (outdoor skills)
    f. First Class—4a, 4b, and 4d (cooking/camping)
    g. Three requirements from one of the required Eagle merit badges, as approved by your unit leader.

    My take was to simply teach one of these scout skills to a member of the crew, just wanted to see what other thought.

  • #2
    Questions:
    What does the boy think?
    Is there any scout younger than him in the crew for him to teach?
    Do the members of the crew already know those skills? (if so, its not really teaching is it?)
    Is it unreasonable for him to teach a couple of new crossovers from his old troop?

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    • #3
      Firstly, I'll sign it most strongly if he doesn't use EDGE, but let me get off of my high horse ...

      If you camp a lot with another troop, he might want to touch base with that SM/SPL to see if there is anything specific that one of his boys might need help with.

      Otherwise, I would ask him to pick a skill that another member of the crew seems to be weak on, but it would really help your program if everyone had it down. (If your crew, for example, is really into climbing/rapelling, it might be handy if everyone was solid with figure eight knots on a bight.) Because venturers come with very diverse skills, I wouldn't worry if the person was a younger or older person. I've had 20-year-olds sign on who never camped a day in their life. (And obviously, by the way I worded it, I don't think "Scout" need be limited to boy or girl.)

      If you have a scout who is a natural teacher (likely if the scout took a while to get to Star), and have seen him do this thing in one context or another, rather than asking him to repeat for the sake of signature, I would suggest you take the time to sit and ask what he's taught recently to whom, and how it worked (or didn't). Ask him if anything in the description of EDGE was omitted from what he did, and if adding it would have helped. Conversely was there something in what he did that didn't fit the EDGE rubic, and did it distract from his student's learning the skill, or did it add to it? Then ... after this discussion ... you and he can come to an agreement as to if and how he should practice the requirement again.

      In other words, adapt the requirement to the maturity of the scout and the needs of his peers.

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      • #4
        geezzzz guys.....Have him teach a younger crew member one of the skills. end of the story

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        • gotta run
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          Last edited by gotta run; 10-11-2013, 07:53 AM.

      • #5
        Originally posted by Basementdweller View Post

        geezzzz guys.....Have him teach a younger crew member one of the skills. end of the story
        What if there ain't a crew member needing to learn anything....Are there Many Venture Crew Members joining from outside of Scouting?

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        • qwazse
          qwazse commented
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          Round here, most definitely. From the council/area meetings I've attended, 'bout half of the Venturers had never been in BSA, and half of those have never been in another scouting-type organization (like GSUSA, Campfire, or Indian guides) during their junior high years. About 1/8 of my crew have never slept under a tent before joining, almost 3/4 have never slept under the stars or even seen anyone else do it.

          It's a constant challenge getting everyone up to speed. But if the youth are committed to each other, they will do it. So, this requirement is pretty much the mode of operation in a typical crew.

      • #6
        We spend a lot of time in these forums talking about doing the requirements as written and how all these "high speed, low drag" approaches are killing the sanctity of advancement.

        So then, the requirement says: teach a younger Scout the skills from ONE of the following six choices, so that he is prepared to pass those requirements to his unit leader’s satisfaction.

        ​Since a Venturing scout cannot pass second or first class requirements, clearly this requirement involves working with a Boy Scout. So, go out and find a troop and offer to teach those requirements.

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        • King Ding Dong
          King Ding Dong commented
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          But can that crew member be "prepared to pass those requirements" ? Only if it a boy and in a troop.

        • Basementdweller
          Basementdweller commented
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          I forget you guys run your troops, Crews and Packs like kingdoms with no interaction with other units on any level of scouting,.

          If I needed a boy scout, cub scout or crew member for a requirement like this, It is as simple as walking to the next room in the CO and ask for a volunteer. Not a problem

        • koolaidman
          koolaidman commented
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          ...he is "prepared to pass" those requirements to his unit leader’s satisfaction, not "passes".
          It doesn't say he has to pass, only that he is prepared to pass to his unit leader's satisfaction. Why can't a venture be "prepared to pass to his unit leader's satisfaction?
          If a Crew Advisor, Coach or Skipper thinks the Scout is prepared to pass, then it's complete isn't it.

          Per the 2013 requirements, younger is only preferred, so there ya go.

      • #7
        This discussion had me fuming on so many levels, I needed a two nights in the woods on a long weekend to simmer down. I brought it up at last night's campfire,and one of our scouts had an insightful point: "If you're not teaching everybody first class skills, then what's the point of calling yourself a life scout?" In other words, from his perspective, the requirement - in total - should not to teach "one younger scout in your troop" a first class skill, but every youth you encounter those scouting skills. It boils down to this:
        • Those of you who think 1st Class as only a rank, a stepping stone to Eagle, will think that the purpose of Life, the rank, is to produce more patches on uniforms. Thus the boy doing this only once in a very controlled context, is precisely what is needed for you to approve that box. Please consider that you are building a house of cards.
        • If, on the other hand, you think 1st Class Scout is a character trait, something that should manifest itself in every teen age member of the BSA, then you would see Life Scout, the trait, as something that drives a person to make it their life's work to instill scout spirit and skills in others. That is a house that you can build a movement on.
        Now I think a lot of what venturing does (intended or not) is to challenge scouters to think, really think, about what kind of house they are building. The program doesn't leave me much room for the former - venturers don't need (and few want) awards, but the needs of my crew force me think in terms of the latter ... venturers in a general interest crew -- if not first class scouts (patch notwithstanding) already -- need to quickly come to bear all of the traits of first class scouts.
        Last edited by qwazse; 10-14-2013, 10:51 PM. Reason: Revised for clarity

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