SCOUTER Interactive - Your Guide to Scout Out the Net! SCOUTER Magazine and Network
SCOUTER  |  NetCompass  |  NetRoster  |  Forums  |  ClipArt  |  Headlines  |  Auctions  

You are 1 of 1376 Active Users

 Locator >
SCOUTER : archives : Scouts-L : November 1999 : Post
Menu > Email this page to a friend Send page to friend
 


Check out the new SCOUTER Discussion Forums and Post Your Questions Now!

From: Thomas Bizzell (thomas@BIZZELL.ORG)
Date: Tue Nov 09 1999 - 16:45:23 CST


Peter Sanders wrote:
>
> Thursday night was Roundtable, and our YP refresher. Friday night I
> watched 20/20 with my wife. In discussing the report a couple of questions
> came up that we did not have answers for, Where were the other leaders?
> etc, but the biggest question was:
>
> 1- The report said that this person was removed from scouting when the
> first scout reported the molestation attempt. This is the one where the
> court found him not guilty. What was not said was whether the scoutmaster
> was returned to his position in the troop.
>
> This question cuts both ways - In this case, he was guilty, the result of
> the court case was incorrect.
>
> But what about a falsely accused scouter? In the YP tape, this question
> came up and the answer was along the lines of "You (the reporting scouter)
> are not responsible for reporting an allegation of abuse that turns out to
> be false." I disagree with this statement - The reporting person may not
> be legally responsible, but morally I would feel very responsible for
> forwarding a report that I had misgivings about that later turns out to be
> false -- especially if it resulted in the permanent banning of a leader.
>
> At roundtable this question was raised, and no one could answer the
> question about reinstatement.
>
> So, what happens in the "accused, but cleared by the courts" cases?

I also went through YPP on Saturday. I came away with there is no clear
answer. You have to protect the kids. The story on 20/20 made one
thing clear. These people(adults or even peers) hurt the kids on
serveral levels. Building up trust, violating that trust, and then
using the shame and embarasment to generate fear in the kids is just
evil. It is not just the "act" that would be painful. It is the whole
shooting match.

In Texas, as I understood it, it is your legal responsibilty to report
reasonably suspicious behaviour. If you did not and then later charges
were brought, you could become an accessory after the fact.

It is a scairy world both for the kids and the volunteers or potential
volunteers.

In Austin, a youth minister was recently sentenced to 15 years in prison
for such charges. It turned out that the church that hired him knew of
similar allegations in Denton, TX, and Florida but chose to ignore the
allegations.

He followed the classic pattern. Another church in Austin had a
volunteer plead guilty to 8 counts(8 different boys) and got 60 years.
It followed the classic pattern.

The Boy Scouts are caught between a rock and a hard place.

As I see it, the YPP is designed to break the pattern or at least deny
the person the opportunity to use the BSA as a place to out carry his
plans. If you have multiple leaders on all events and following YPP is
followed in spirit and letter, then the person who does not follow
procedures will stick out in the crowd or draw suspicion to themselves.
It protects the adult volunteers and kids.

It seems to me, one other thing to watch out for is always having the
exact same adult leadership on each event. I think that is why it is
important to bring the parents into the picture. You could use them as
a resource to get new faces at each campout.

YPP lets the kids know one on one conduct is not the norm and that they
do not have to feel guilty about avoiding such uncomfortable
conditions.

These are just a few impressions that I got from the training.

>
> YiS
> Peter Sanders

--
Tom Bizzell
Eagle Scout 1982
Tonkawa Lodge #99
Vigil 1986, Tatanka Lodge #141, Weuchsowagn, "One Who has Knowledge"



A few Commercial Links from the SCOUTER NetCompass...


Featured Link Whitewater rafting in NC and TNClick here for more information
Whitewater rafting adventures on the French Broad and Nolichucky Rivers near Asheville, NC.

Featured Link Panama Canal and Rainforest AdventureClick here for more information
Canoe jungle rivers and waterways of the Panama Canal. Hike the jungle and old Spanish Treasure Trails. Visit and live with Indians of the rainforests and camp at centuries old forts. Retrace the paths of Conquistadors, Pirates, and 49’ers.

Featured Link It Takes Two: Scrapbooking & FundraisingClick here for more information
Boy Scout papers and stickers for scrapbooking

Featured Link Sail School BahamasClick here for more information
A range of Sailing Adventure Programs - experience life onboard a sailboat as you learn to sail in the beautiful and safe islands of the northern Bahamas

Featured Link Piragis Northwoods CompanyClick here for more information
Boundary Waters / Quetico Park Outfitting Services and Rates. WENONAH KEVLAR canoes. We specialize in Scout groups

Featured Link Sierra Trading Post -- Outdoor GearClick here for more information
Sierra Trading Post offers savings on name brand camping and hiking gear. Find outdoor gear from Komperdell, Burton, Vector, Sigg, Crazy Creek, Eureka, The North Face and more.

Featured Link Quetico & White Otter Wilderness TripsClick here for more information
Canoe trip outfitter for Quetico Park & White Otter Wilderness. Full service fishing camp & canoe outfitter, name brand gear, great packages for scouts. Transportation shuttles, maps, permits, fishing licences, all supplies & equipment.

Add your link to SCOUTER NetCompass





Join SCOUTER.com

Join SCOUTER.com and participate in the Discussion Forums & receive our email newsletters. First, please enter your e-mail address. We'll see if we have you in our records (must be complete and valid e-mail address to complete registration):

E-mail address

Postal/ZipCode


Site Members Login


SCOUTER Forums

Share your questions, answers and ideas in the SCOUTER Forums!


FREE Web Hosting from SCOUTER!
SCOUTER.com provides free web hosting to more than 2,000 Scout units!

What's become of SCOUTER Magazine, the print publication?

Buy the Back Issues

NetCompass
Categories

Advancement
Calendar
Campfires
Discussion Lists
Graphics and Clipart
Leaders Resource
Medical Issues Library
Meeting Activities
Scout Skills
Scouting History
Scouting Organizations
Service To America
Training
Where To Go
Youth Protection

Sponsors

Site Dedication

SCOUTER celebrates the life of William Hillcourt... Scoutmaster to the World and the founding inspiration for the grassoots resources we share.

© 1994-2005 SCOUTER.com. All rights reserved.

SCOUTER is an independent publication and has been the primary Scouting portal on the web since 1994.
It is not officially affiliated with the Boy Scouts of America, the Girl Scouts of the USA or the World Organization of Scout Movements.
Web Developer/SaaS Hosting by FastRoot, Chicago - Terry Howerton

spacer.gif (57 bytes)