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Re: Great Human Don't Always Get Eagle
Greg Morris (gmorris@DANCRIS.COM)
Mon, 3 May 1999 22:28:37 -0700
It is called Scout Spirit!
Greg Morris
I used to be a Fox 92
Grand Canyon Council
Robert W. Myers wrote:
> Roman Smith wrote:
> >Yes, if the boy is registered, he qualifies for the rank.
>
> Yes, I heard this before about the "be active" requirement, but can someone
> please show me where this is written? I don't believe National stated this
> in their new advancement guide, and everything I can find in writing from
> others (troops, eaglescout.org, etc.) contradicts this statement.
>
> YiS,
>
> Bob Myers
> Cincinnati, Ohio
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scouts-L Youth Group List [mailto:Scouts-L@LISTSERV.TCU.EDU] On Behalf
> Of Roman J. Smith
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 9:18 AM
> To: SCOUTS-L@LISTSERV.TCU.EDU
> Subject: Re: Great Human Don't Always Get Eagle
>
> Jim Peterson responded to Calvin Gray:
> >Are you actually suggesting that "be active in your patrol and troop" could
> >possibly mean that we could have an Eagle who hasn't attended troop
> >meetings and activities?
>
> <snip>
>
> >And Calvin, I think that is a wish for everything to be wrapped up all neat
> >and tidy. The fact is (and most of us really know this down deep in our
> >hearts) evaluating scout spirit and active service is a subjective
> >evaluation that is done in concert by the Scoutmaster, the troop committee
> >and the board of review members based on information that is provided by
> >community members and parents through letters of recommendation but also
> >through direct observation of the scout at scouting meetings and
> >activities.
>
> Among all of the other ideas that we throw around here, the old Scout
> Spirit shows itself as the Ace in our back pocket. Yes, if the boy is
> registered, he qualifies for the rank. If he was elected or appointed to a
> position and remained in that position on paper for 6 months, he qualifies
> for rank advancement.
>
> But unless the boy shows up at scouting events, how do we evaluate the
> requirement to show scout spirit in every day life? Lets realize that even
> this requirement does not require a scouting context. We still must
> evaluate him in a scouting context unless we follow him around all day for
> six months. If we never see him, we can not evaluate him.
>
> But we must be fair. If a scout is approaching the end of a service
> project or just one or two merit badges away from finishing Eagle, or a few
> months away from age 18 and we are not comfortable with his progress in
> scout spirit, we should contact him and express our concern. I do not see
> it as being fair to him to wait until he asks for the Scout Master's
> conference and then tell him that we will not sign off on scout spirit.
>
> On the other hand, if he has been working on his merit badges, and has
> filed his paper work at the beginning and end of his project, we had to
> have been in contact with him in some form. Those are the time that we
> should have been letting him know what he needs to do to satisfy *all* of
> the requirements. I have known SMs who added some hefty requirements not
> in the book because they know that the scout would rise to the occasion and
> benefit from the experience. But the expectations were communicated well
> ahead of time to allow the scout time to meet those expectations.
>
> So if the scout is not coming to the meetings, we should be calling and
> finding our why. Those conversations may be enough to evaluate scout
> spirit.
>
> YiS
>
> -----------------------------------
> Roman J. Smith
> University of Notre Dame
> (219)631-4624 Fax: (219)631-8223
> E-Mail: roman.j.smith.13@nd.edu
> ------------------------------------
> Assistant Scoutmaster, Troop 505 / Committee Member, Ship 505
> -I used to be an Owl
> http://www.nd.edu/~rsmith1/RJSBSA.htm
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