Re: Dishwashing

I have to side with Bob & Lorrie. Although I'm not a LNY expert (yet),
my experience & training suggests that LNT camping pretty much demands
going out in small, self-sufficient groups, to minimize the impact of
your activities. Maybe the entire troop is camping out in the same area;
but, they shouldn't be camped en masse, as they would be on a Scout
ranch.

My two cents worth,
ROb Wright
ASM Troop 76
Camping Merit BAdge Counselor

--- Bob & Lorrie Dewar <dewar@TECHHEADNET.COM> wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Sorry, but I will not back down on this one.
> While I will agree on the
> seemingly large amount of equipment needed when done
> by the patrol, the
> logistics will call for the ability to have the gear
> at any campout, whether
> one large trailer or several smaller ones, along with
> the adult personnel to
> 'oversee' proper washing technique for each patrol.
> This also gives some
> small incentive to each patrol, as they can go about
> whatever activities as
> soon as they are done. In the mass washing setup
> there will always be some
> boys who will have to wait for quite an extended
> period of time, even if you
> rotate so that you bring them towards the front of
> the line. It is also
> easier to teach and reinforce 'Leave No Trace'
> rituals at the patrol level,
> and this system is now being recommended and endorsed
> by National, although
> I know of some Troops that have been teaching this
> for years.
>
> Scout On
>
> Bob Dewar
> Scoutmaster, T329
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Peterson <kupete@KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU>
> To: SCOUTS-L@LISTSERV.TCU.EDU
> <SCOUTS-L@LISTSERV.TCU.EDU>
> Date: Monday, March 29, 1999 1:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Dishwashing
>
>
> >Hi Bob, et al!:
> >
> >Bob wrote in talking about the dishwashing thread:
> >
> >> If you are using the Patrol Method on campouts,
> then I do not
> understand
> >>where you see a problem, as each Patrol does their
> own cooking and cleanup
> >>so you would only be looking at groups of approx.
> 6-8 boys.
> >>
> >> On the other hand, if you are NOT using the
> Patrol Method on campouts
> >>then you have a much bigger problem than just dirty
> dishes.
> >(snip)
> >
> > Look over your program, it may
> >>very well be ill if you are not running the Patrol
> Method on campouts.
> >
> >Whoa Bob!...don't be so quick to judge...lemme carry
> your writings out to
> >our situation. We have ten patrols in our troop.
> That means we have
> >THIRTY dishwashing tubs/buckets?! Nope, I don't
> think so. That would be
> >lacking in the "common sense" department. Many
> times, large troops set up a
> >central dishwashing station for their large campouts
> to save on equipment
> >and to provide a central place to observe the
> washing of dishes and insure
> >that things are in place to prevent mass illness in
> the troop.
> >
> >Now certainly, we practice the patrol method in
> many/most cases. It's just
> >that when we go to a district camporee, for
> instance, we may indeed wash
> >dishes as a troop rather than as a patrol. Our
> patrols are equipped with
> >different equipment for different types of camping
> events. Many troops do
> >a lot of backpacking and those troops would probably
> do dishwashing, at the
> >majority of their outings, as patrols. Many troops
> do "car camping" for
> >the majority of their events....they may very well
> do troop dishwashing
> >stations. It just depends on the individual troop's
> program. We do a some
> >of both and vary our dishwashing accordingly.
> >
> >BLUE SKIES!, Any day
> above ground is a good day!
> >
> >Jim Peterson
> >BS RT Comm, Pelathe Dist
> >Heart of America Council Eagle Class
> of 1963
> >ASM, T-55, Lawrence, Kansas Brotherhood,
> Tamegonit Lodge
> >email: kupete@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Mic-O-Say:
> HW "Shieldmaker"
> >
> >
>

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