SCOUTER Interactive - Your Guide to Scout Out the Net! SCOUTER Magazine and Network
SCOUTER  |  NetCompass  |  NetRoster  |  Forums  |  ClipArt  |  Headlines  |  Auctions  

You are 1 of 1396 Active Users

 Locator >
SCOUTER : archives : Scouts-L : March 1999 : Post
Menu > Email this page to a friend Send page to friend
 


Check out the new SCOUTER Discussion Forums and Post Your Questions Now!

Re: Personal Fitness and Eagle requirements

Anthony J. Mako (ajmako@NLS.NET)
Sun, 7 Mar 1999 02:58:19 -0500


<Chuck Bramlet wrote>
The _real_ issue that I see here, is the one summed up in the words of
Yoda, that one of our list members has taken for a sig. "Do or do not.
There is no try." I am more than a bit concerned that we are gradually
taking an attitude that says that you _will_ meet these standards, and
no excuses excepted for not. Second best is still the "loser", whether
it's from 10, 100, 1K, 1 million.
</Chuck>

Chuck,
The real problem is that so many people have taken that phrase from Yoda
out of context. Yoda is a teacher attempting to teach a student a skill.
The student says "I'll try..." to which Yoda replies "Do or do not!
There is no try." When a student, or anyone else, says they'll try to do
something they are doing pretty much what we all do when we're not sure
of our abilities. B-P doesn't say "Try to do your best", he says "Do
your best." If you say "I'll try..." you're essentially saying "I'm not
sure I can do this so I'll give it a go; just don't expect too much."
Hardly the words of someone about to do his best. It provides him with
an out - "if I try and then fail, it will just confirm that I'm not any
good at this."

In Scouting we don't want Scouts to try light a cooking fire, or
whatever. We want them to light a cooking fire. Not lighting the fire
doesn't complete the requirement, and trying to light the fire leaves
the possibility of failure wide open. Trying and failing leads to "I
can't, I've tried..." Trying implies only one attempt before giving up;
doing implies as many attempts as it takes. Yes, it's a matter of
semantics, but it's also a matter of attitude.

Of course, you're right when you say that it also can lead one to a
"best isn't good enough" attitude. That is a result of the competitive,
"if you don't win you must have lost" culture. Those of us who have the
responsibility of overseeing the advancement process HAVE to remember
that the standard each Scout must meet depends mostly on the individual
Scout. We know the every Scout is not a gourmet chef, so there's no
reason to expect every Scout to perfectly and single-handedly cook a
seven-course gourmet meal over an open fire, Hibachi, or backpacker
stove.

Like you said, Chuck, we need to help the Scout build a bridge or find
another way across. Problem is, we should be behind him, encouraging him
to challenge himself, not across the chasm beckoning him forward.

YIS
Anthony J. Mako, ajmako@nls.net ,Scoutmaster, Troop 381
http://members.aol.com/Scouts381/ "Home of the Unofficial Boy Scout
Desktop Theme!"
Great Trail Council - Akron, Ohio

"I used to be an Eagle (C-7-97), but I'll always be an Eagle (1981)"


A few Commercial Links from the SCOUTER NetCompass...


Featured Link Scout GearClick here for more information
Offers name brand backpacks, tents, sleeping bags and other equipment for youth and teen camping. Also provides new Scout Value Bundles and detailed gear selection advice.

Featured Link Team Building Games - Best on the WebClick here for more information
New scoutmaster? Looking for fun team building games you can learn now and lead tonight? Visit our virtual team building games workshop online. Comprehensive resource. Free activity guide.

Featured Link How the Boy Scouts really got started Click here for more information
A new book on how scouting got started. For five decades, an American scout secretly mentored the Chief Scout, Lord Baden-Powell - This book tells the story!

Featured Link CO - Colorado Whitewater RaftingClick here for more information
Exciting, Affordable and fun rafting adventures on Colorado's favorite rivers for all ages and abilities with one of Colorado's most experienced and trusted river outfitters. May qualify for a merit badge.

Featured Link Piragis Northwoods CompanyClick here for more information
Boundary Waters / Quetico Park Outfitting Services and Rates. WENONAH KEVLAR canoes. We specialize in Scout groups

Featured Link Arrowheads For Arrow of Light AwardsClick here for more information
Purchase authentic looking, hand crafted arrowheads for less than .25 cents each. Perfect for making ceremonial arrows. Made of stone, these are top notch replicas!

Featured Link Create and sell treasure maps for ScoutsClick here for more information
Use your scouting skills to create & sell treasure maps. Great fun and a good fund-raising activity too.

Add your link to SCOUTER NetCompass





Join SCOUTER.com

Join SCOUTER.com and participate in the Discussion Forums & receive our email newsletters. First, please enter your e-mail address. We'll see if we have you in our records (must be complete and valid e-mail address to complete registration):

E-mail address

Postal/ZipCode


Site Members Login


SCOUTER Forums

Share your questions, answers and ideas in the SCOUTER Forums!


FREE Web Hosting from SCOUTER!
SCOUTER.com provides free web hosting to more than 2,000 Scout units!

What's become of SCOUTER Magazine, the print publication?

Buy the Back Issues

NetCompass
Categories

Advancement
Calendar
Campfires
Discussion Lists
Graphics and Clipart
Leaders Resource
Medical Issues Library
Meeting Activities
Scout Skills
Scouting History
Scouting Organizations
Service To America
Training
Where To Go
Youth Protection

Sponsors

Site Dedication

SCOUTER celebrates the life of William Hillcourt... Scoutmaster to the World and the founding inspiration for the grassoots resources we share.

© 1994-2005 SCOUTER.com. All rights reserved.

SCOUTER is an independent publication and has been the primary Scouting portal on the web since 1994.
It is not officially affiliated with the Boy Scouts of America, the Girl Scouts of the USA or the World Organization of Scout Movements.
Web Developer/SaaS Hosting by FastRoot, Chicago - Terry Howerton

spacer.gif (57 bytes)