[Fwd: FW: Woodbadge uniforming?]
Tom Bingaman (tbing19@IDT.NET)
Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:12:14 -0700
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To all:
I am passing this on from a Scouter in my district. He is to be the
Course Director for WEM 609-99. These are his views on Wood Badge.
--
YiS
Tom Bingaman tbing19@idt.net
I used to be a Beaver...328 (1968)
Chief Seattle Council |>>>---|>--->|
Green River District (Renton WA)
Scout Leader Training Chair
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From: "Dearing, Steven E" <Steven.Dearing@PSS.Boeing.com>
To: "'tbing19@idt.net'" <tbing19@idt.net>
Subject: FW: Woodbadge uniforming?
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:15:04 -0700
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Tom,
Took the time to write this out and then my Boeing system will not let
me post it to scouts L.
Boo hoo!
Steve Dearing
9-3755 Dispatch Lead
206-655-8836 pager: 206-541-0149
M/S: 4F-18
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> From: Dearing, Steven E
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 10:18 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L; 'Bob Costello'
> Subject: RE: Woodbadge uniforming?
>
> Wood Badge Scouters,
>
> Have been receiving bits and pieces of this ongoing conversation about
> uniforming and staff conduct on Wood Badge training courses and can
> see, as what happens in most cases , adults forget the prime reason
> why we (adults) are in scouting. For the boys!!!!
>
> The issue of uniforming (I am from Pacific Northwest) is always any
> issue at precourse presentations, and there is always a discovery for
> participants and staff alike. We as trainers must always work to the
> syllabus and admin guides and the expectation called out there. of
> course the uniforming issue is only and issue because of the many
> perceptions of how troops uniform at home, with full uniform, shirts
> only, and every combination between.
>
> Wood Badge is a national training course and the guidelines for
> uniforming and follow through are completely the responsibility of the
> course director for each course. I know that the guidelines both in
> print and on the equipment checklist state what is the proper uniform,
> and believe both long and short pants are listed.
>
> In the Pacific Northwest courses, (as will be on my course in fall
> 1999) uniforming guidelines will be any proper full scout uniform,
> with designated patches. Whether I person wears long or short pants,
> current or former styles, is of no consequences as long as the troop
> on course understands the reason for uniforming!
>
> The personal agenda of many adults can give the Wood Badge course a
> bad name as is very evident in many of these communications. We as
> trainers much always keep safe haven and setting the example
> fore-front in anything we do on these courses, remember many adults
> will take what happened on their course home as the way to do it. As
> Wood Badge trainers we, have the obligation to realize that many
> scouters look to the staff as the professors of scout training!
>
> Thank you for taking the time to listen to me.
>
> Steve Dearing
> Green River District\Chief Seattle Council
> WEM-609-99 course Director
> "I used to be an Eagle"
> Steve Dearing
> 9-3755 Dispatch Lead
> 206-655-8836 pager: 206-541-0149
> M/S: 4F-18
>
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> From: Bob Costello[SMTP:bobc775@HOTMAIL.COM]
> Reply To: Bob Costello
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 7:06 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L
> Subject: Re: Woodbadge uniforming?
>
> Jim wrote (asterisks added by me for emphasis):
>
> >A woodbadge troop *like any other unit* sets its standards within the
> >set of approved uniforms. so the short answer is "yes."
>
> I guess my question then would be as follows: If Wood Badge is
> to teach us leadership (specifically leadership of Scouts), and if
> we ascribe to the theory that people will model what trainers do in
> a course, then what message does it send when the boys (in this case
> the course participant), are not listened to in such a decision? Is
> that WB staff giving de-facto license to the participants to go and
> do the same with the boys in their units?
>
> I should say, since I am new here, that I am a big supporter of
> Wood Badge training. I am a supporter because of the invaluable
> lessons in Leadership that it gives. However, I am also opposed to
> some of the shenanigans that go on in some courses. Wood Badge is
> not boot camp, and I fear that some members of some staffs in some
> places have that confused. The purpose is not to break the man (or
> woman) down and rebuild them into Scouts (as is the purpose of
> boot camp), it is to impart leadership skills in a SCOUTING
> environment.
>
> My wood badge staff was outstanding! They had standards of uniforming
> for all of us, but those standards were flexible based on the needs
> of the participants. As it turned out, we all wore the same thing
> (in our case shorts in late April / early May until the staff finally
> modelled putting on long pants on the cold evenings), and we did
> so because we all thought it was important and we WANTED to, not
> because we were compelled to by a capricious, unexplained rule. I can
> think of few things that turn off a boy more than being told to do
> it "because I say so."
>
> Well, now that I have stood on the soap box, I'll conclude.
>
> YIS
>
>
>
> Bob Costello
> Cubmaster - Pack 765 Charter Organization Rep. - Troop 775
> Westland Michigan - Detroit Area Council
> Certified Trainer - Huron Valley Girl Scout Council
> Former District Training Chair for Cub Scouts
> Staff member for Scoutmastership Fundamentals
>
> I used to be a bobwhite....- C-4-96
>
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