Re: Multiple Registration Questions
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Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:25:52 -0600
Jim wrote:
>Mike - What is your reference for the registration requirements >and
examples you gave? They seem to be way different than the >ones I have been
trained on and have used for the past twenty >years.
The Rules and Regulations of the BSA (my copy is old and if someone
could PLEASE, PLEASE provide me with a 1995 version, I would
appreciate it greatly!), the Charter and Bylaws of the BSA (again
if someone could please provide me with the current version, I
would appreciate it as well!), the Exploring Division's guidance
to Exploring Directors, dated 15 July 1993 (which your Council
should have a copy of and which is incorporated into several
Exploring organizational literture since), and the old Paraprofessional
Guide from the Southeast Region (which while is
old, explains a little better why and what I used as part of the
illustrations given).
I didn't have anything out except the Parapro Guide when I answered
the posting, and I placed a 'disclaimer' at the end of my response:
"I hope that the answers and the examples (all which are not
real-life people) I gave helps you out. I'll confirm the "COR and
primary leader...NOT!" rule in the morning, but I'm sure that
that is how the registration policy writes."
>I.E., COR cannot be the unit leader or assistant according to BSA
>Rules/Regs, Article VI, Section3, clause 7. Why? As COR he/she is >NOT a
member of the unit, rather is a Council/District member. >See the BSA
Rules/Regs, Article VIII Section 1 Clause 2. This >leaves the committee and
den leading positions open to the COR.
We're NOT talking Cub Scouting, we're talking Exploring.
What I stated was the following:
"There is a policy (and it's late, so I'll have to confirm this
in the morning) that says that the COR CANNOT SERVE as the
primary leader (in this case Explorer Advisor) while being COR
too. Vince CANNOT serve as both Advisor and as COR...he's going
to have to decide which is more important to him (and his firm)."
Thanks for finding the reference to the policy. I was correct in
what I stated that Vince couldn't do both EA and CR duties.
Also, I stated:
"There's NOTHING wrong, however, with Vince and Janice serving as
associate leaders or as members of the committee (the COR should be a
non-voting member of the Committee anyways); however, Utah, both Vince and
Janice has to remember which role they are PRIMARILY serving (for Vince,
it's COR of Post 000; for Janice, it's Advisor of Post 000. Just because
Janice *chooses* to become the Advisor instead of the COR does NOT resolve
her from COR responsibilities with the Troop."
In other words, Janice serves as COR of the Troop and as Advisor
of the Post.
Vince serves as COR for the Post.
>Also, isn't three the absolute minimum number of adults for any
>Troop,Team or Post, and four for Packs(without regard for gender >or
two-deep leadership requirements)?
When you are talking EXPLORING, you HAVE to mention that FIVE is
the minimum number of adults to have, and SEVEN if there's any
female membership. This is unlike Cubbing and Scouting where
you have ONLY male membership.
While you could get away in a MALE ONLY unit with three (maybe)
the current POLICIES (the registration policies of your Council
as well as the youth protection policies of the BSA) say that
you need to have two-deep adults (and dual-sexed adults)if the Post is going
to be a coed post. Not knowing if Utah's Post is going
to be coed (but knowing that 70+ percent of ALL Exploring units
are), I made a basic assumption and tailored my answer to that
slant.
>The question was to the official requirements of BSA.
Nope, the question was:
>1. What is the minimum number of adult PRIMARY registrations are >required
for an Explorer Post?
>I am not asking how many adults must be registered in a unit, but >how many
and which ones must be primary.
What I believe Utah was asking here was what is the minumum number
of adults needed as PRIMARY Scouters (and as I explained, when someone
mentions "primary" to me, there's only three main positions: Chartered
Organizational Represenative (COR, or CR);
Advisor or Scoutmaster (EA/SM) and Committee Chair (CC). Everyone
else involved can be multiples of those three positions. However,
when you talk about EXPLORING, you just can't multiple the EA as
a member of the Committee if you have female members; you MUST
under the BSA's Youth Protection Policies, have FEMALE ADULTS registered as
Assistant/Associate Advisors. Therefore, the number
of adults needed to run that Post or Ship has just increased from
three to four. And because you MUST have two-deep leadership
in ANY Exploring unit, you need to have one other adult (male or
female) to serve, that makes FIVE.
>We need to provide the official minimum answer, as well as our >best
opinion on the "good" way to handle the requirement.
But he didn't ask for the "official minimum answer", Jim. Utah
wants to know which positions are ESSENTIAL for operation, whether or not
one adult can be "primarily registered" as Scoutmaster and also serve as an
Explorer Adviser or Cubmaster (and I only addressed the Exploring question),
and finally if the COR can
also serve as Explorer Advisor or as Scoutmaster.
I've answered all three questions and gave an illustration of how
all three come into play. While I really try to answer postings
with the appropriate "references", without Utah explaining for us
all *exactly* what he's asking, it's kinda hard to come up with
a "definative" answer.
Again, for the record, what *I* state or anyone else state is NOT
"national policy" unless we state it so (and have a reference as
you've added for me which says so).
I do agree that I needed to make my response a little clearer, but
it was 1am in the morning, and even with coffee, I don't work really to my
optimum at that time after a long day!
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