Re: BSA Boy Scout Leader Training Awards
Ernest R. Spradling, P.E. (Freemason@AOL.COM)
Wed, 17 Jan 1996 07:39:49 -0500
On Sun, 14 Jan 1996 20:33:03 -0500 "George R. Davis"
<GRDRV@AOL.COM> wrote:
>The Boy Scout Leader's Training Award requires...
<snip>
>Several questions:
<Pulling out my handy copy of Leadership Training Plans, Procedures and
Materials 1994 Printing (LTPPM) for reference>
>1. Does this require a total tenure of 5 years if there is less than 2
years
>tenure as a registered adult before becoming scoutmaster?
If the leader started as SM, then the Training Award is earned after
training,
performance of a prescribed set of activities, and two years of tenure. The
third year of tenure, along with a continued attendance at Roundtables,
goes toward earning the Scoutmaster's Key.
If the Boy Scout leader holds a position other than SM for two years, the
Training Award is earned. If that leader becomes SM, then it takes three
years tenure in that position for a total of five years.
If less than two years has elapsed when the leader becomes the SM, it
means that three years of tenure as unit leader must be completed before
earning the Key. It is probable that the previous tenure may be applied to
the Boy Scout Leader's Training Award, since two years as a registered
Boy Scout leader is the tenure requirement for the Award.
No cigar if the leader is stepping out of another program, however.
>2. Is it necessary to train twice in order to earn the SM key or does
>training once qualify for both awards?
No, provided the training was Boy Scout Leader Training. However, if the
training took place back when James West was running the show :), then
it is in the best interests of all concerned to get current.
>The SM Key also requires the SM to conduct Junior Leader Training (JLT) 3
>times, and to participate as an adult in JLT once.
>3. How does one conduct JLT without participating?
<Participate> is defined as either serving on the staff or attending the
Scoutmaster orientation session of the _council_ junior leader training
conference. See Page 37 of the LTPPM.
>I know that a few years ago 'Scouting' had a brief note that years of tenure
>when holding multiple positions could not count towards multiple leader
>training awards (i.e simultaneously being CM in a pack and SM in a troop you
>can count time either for CM Training Award or BS Leader's Training Award,
>not both). But SM key is not a training award (at least it's name doesn't
>say it is).
Still there. See Page 32 of LTPPM. <Tenure used to earn one key or award
cannot be used to earn another key or award.> It also says to <See specific
award requirements on pages 34-36.> So, application of the intent of this
paragraph is subject to the Award or Key requirements.
>4. Is there any requirement that says a scouter cannot RECEIVE more than
one
>training award in a year? Understandably, with the requirements set forth
in
>the 'Scouting' note mentioned above, you can't EARN more than one in a year,
>but it is possible that a scouter has earned them in the past, and the
>paperwork just never got done.
It is a fact of life that the paper trail takes time to catch up with the
recipient.
>5. Is there any requirement that says a scouter can't "go backwards" and
>earn an award for a "lower" position. (i.e. a CM later becoming a DL)
>(note: I don't think this is "going backwards" but some around here do.
This is also covered in LTPPM. On Page 32, second column, <A holder of the
Scouter's Key may not go back and earn the Scouter's Award in the same
program area. If a committee member or assistant unit leader has earned the
Scouter's Award, however, the Key may be earned if that individual becomes a
unit leader in the same program area and meets the training, tenure and
performance requirements as a unit leader. If a Scouter who earned the
Scouter's Key changes programs (a Scoutmaster becoming an Associate
Advisor, for example), the award may be earned in the program in which he
or she is currently registered. Also note that a Scoutmaster must earn the
Boy Scout Leader Training Award as part of earning the Scoutmaster's Key.>
It stands to reason that a Scoutmaster who previously earned the
Scoutmaster's
Key before the Boy Scout Leader Training Award was made part of the
requirements can not go back and earn that award.
>These questions have come up lately here. We have several long-time
scouters
>who have held and been trained for (and in most cases trained others for)
>every job in the book at different times. They have completed the
>requirements for many of the awrads over the years, but just never put in
the
>paperwork (there has never been much of a notice of these awards around
>here).
The general rule is that, regarding chasing the paperwork, <you are on your
own.> Having said that, there is nothing wrong with the unit Committee
Chairman keeping these records and completing the forms when the
requirements are met. This could be delegated to the unit Advancement
Chair, and the record-keeping would be minimal. then the forms can be
completed and signed by the Committee Chairman.
This also assuages the guilt of those leaders who hold to the mistaken
notion that it is boastful or wrong to apply for training recognitions by
taking the paperwork out of their hands.
In a related matter. On Sun, 14 Jan 1996 22:41:29 -0500 Frank McArthur
<WBBear@AOL.COM> wrote:
>The Scout Leaders Training Award is designed for scouters other than
>Scoutmasters, while the Scoutmasters Key is intended for Scoutmasters.
>Tenure can not be counted for two different awards.
Sorry, Frank, see 1. above :) Tenure can be counted for two recognitions,
under certain conditions.
BTW, I have been a District Training Committee member in a couple of
different councils, and I have kept up on the training recognition
requirements
as part of my Scouting job of Troop Commissioner. The general rule was that
1) A Scout is Trustworthy. A Scouter will generally not apply for a
recognition
to which he/she is not entitled.
2) Interpret the training award requirements in a fair manner that will
encourage
application. Don't make them tough to get, because they are not intended to
be strived for.
YiS, WWW,
Randy Spradling, P.E.
Troop Commissioner
Arrowhead District Simon Kenton Council
(and a good ole Owl, too! SR-5)
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