Eagle Trivia Follow-up
Larry Rinaldo (lrinaldo@R02DG05.R02.EPA.GOV)
Wed, 31 Aug 1994 13:59:25 -0400
On Sat, 27 Aug 1994, Ian Ford <ianford@DIRCON.CO.UK> wrote:
> The Chief Scout's Award is the highest award for _ Scouts_ ,
> aged 10 - 15 The Queen's Scout award is the highest award for
> _Venture Scouts_ aged 15 - 20. It is possible for a Venture
> Scout to earn Queen's Scout without having earned the CSA as a
> Scout.
As a follow-up Ian, are there different requirements for the the
Queen's Scout award versus the Venture Scout award? Why is there
the age seperation? Do the older lads have to perform something
additional that the younger lads don't? Since there are two
awards is the Queen's (King's) Scout award equivalent to the US
Eagle? and is the Venture Scout award a superior award? What is
the position or status?
If you have the history of these, I would be interested in
hearing when and how these got started.
Then on Mon, 29 Aug 1994, Ian Ford <ianford@DIRCON.CO.UK> wrote a
reply to Mark Browning <mark.browning@passport.com>:
> The original highest rank was KING'S Scout. It was the King
> who suggested to B-P that he could better serve the Empire by
> developing the Scouting movement than by continuing to follow
> his military career.
> Anyone who earned an award under a preceding monarch keps the
> respective designation, i.e. there are currently both King's
> Scouts and Queen's Scouts.
Ian,
Are you saying that when the movement began that the original
rank was King's Scout, and with two (based on age) today?
On Fri, 26 Aug 1994, Patrick Lam <PLAM@MUSICM.MCGILL.CA>
mentioned several recognitions:
> Springbuck award (?) in S. Africa. In the Association des
> Eclaireurs Baden-Powell (a splinter group in Canada), you can
> be a Scout du Baussant and earn the Ailes de Chevalier
> (Knights' Wings).
>
Does anyone have the listing or equivalent national award by
country?
ON Mon, 29 Aug 1994, Michael Rogero Brown
<michaelb@SUNRISE.CSE.FAU.EDU> wrote concerning the Eagle
reuirements:
> ...and 21 (some of which were specified) got you Eagle.
Any other requirements for Eagle from the earlier years (1910's)
besides the 21 merit badges?
> My comment that adults could earn merit badges DOES mean then
> adult could and did earn Star, Life, and Eagle awards. The 3rd
> Eagle Scout was an adult. This continued to around the 1950s.
Since you have knowledge of the 3rd Eagle, do you happen to know
the 1st? And, is there a registry (Dallas possibly?)
On Mon, 29 Aug 1994, August Treubig
<atreubi@CCTUADMIN3.ENTERGY.COM> wrote:
> With respect to adults and Eagle ---
> My dad earned his Eagle in 1939..... He was born in 1915, So he
> was ... 24 when he received it...
Do you know what he had to do to earn it? Did he convey to you
his experiences? Care to share any unique stories that he may
have told you during that time period?
And on Mon, 29 Aug 1994, hilding holroyd
<blustone!chagall!hilding@UUNET.UU.NET> wrote:
> My grandfather was also an adult when he received his Eagle in
> 1915.
And in a reply you mentioned that to obtain an Adult Eagle:
> It was the same requirements.
Hilding, fellow FOX, since your grandfather received it early in
the movement, do you have any perspective or history on his award
requirements?
On Tue, 30 Aug 1994, Michael Rogero Brown
<michaelb@SUNRISE.CSE.FAU.EDU> provides some insight as follows:
> ...in the early days, Eagle was like a 'super merit badge',
> i.e., it signified that you had earned a lot of merit badges.
> There were no requirements of service (or service projects) or
> leadership experience, time or scout spirit.
>
> Adults, well they were considered First Class Scouts
> automatically, and were thus allowed to earn merit badges and
> hence earn Star, Life, and Eagle.
Michael, Do you think that over the course of time that the Eagle
has gained significance? It might appear that anyone and
everyone could have obtained an Eagle in those early years.
JMiller, August Treubig, and Hilding Holroyd:
In light of Michael's posting, do you have any knowledge on how
your grandparents felt when they recieved their award? Was it
just another badge to them? Do you know how they felt?
On Tue, 30 Aug 1994, JMillerJr@AOL.COM wrote:
> My Grandfather was well into his 30's when working on his(never
> attained) Eagle.
How was he able to do that Jim? Can your grandfather provide any
history on how he was able to do this? Was there an exemption or
was there no time limit?
On Tue, 30 Aug 1994, Patrick Lam <PLAM@MUSICM.MCGILL.CA> wrote:
> Again, I think I'll say that Scouts Canada no longer has
> Queen's Scouts but we do have Queen's Venturers.
Patrick, Do you know when it changed?
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