> How about 3 hours of community service...like, say, cleaning up the
> camping equipment before the next meeting? With his dad's help.
> Your Cub's problem is his dad, not his own moral code. Working on the
> unit's equipment will spread the work and allow him to earn the patch
> gracefully.
>
I doubt the cub was given any choice in the matter. I think
the DAD should be spoken to, but the cub should get the patch.
--
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For those of you in the Mid-Atlantic Area:
The National Capital Area Pow Wow will be held on November 20, 1999. This
annual event usually attracts as many as 1200 Cub Scouters from seven
states. Information about this event can be found at:
http://www.boyscouts-ncac.org/training/cubscouts/powwow.html
which is on the brand-spanking new NCAC Website.
We are proud of this new website. This website was a long time in the
making and designed with a great amount of input from volunteer Scouters,
web design professionals, and members of the community. Heck, they even
asked me for advice. :-)) This website is in a sense a symbol of the
cooperative effort that makes Scouting great.
Mike
Mike Bowman, Vice President
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:10:21 -0500
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Ted,
I'm not from that area, but I've passed through there a couple times with
my troop. Here are a couple of ideas...
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New London Naval Submarine Base
Groton, Connecticut
Public Affairs Office -- 860/694-3914
This is home to the U.S. Navy's Submarine School. They will host Scout
groups. They have the Nautilus submarine open as a floating museum, which
the kids love. They also did a special training demonstration for us
where they taught the boys how to repair steam pipe with a "strongarm",
then took us to the training room where they simulated a sub being
attacked. We watched from the control room. That was fantastic. Great
meals at the galley, super cheap cost.
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U.S. Coast Guard Academy
New London, Connecticut
Public Affairs Office -- 860/444-8270
Across the river from the New London Naval Submarine Base. They have a
tall masted ship (the U.S.S. Beagle I think) which Scouts can tour if it
is not out at sea on a training mission. Tours of the campus. We've
never stayed there, only day visit. I think they have a campsite or
building available.
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Hammonassett Beach State Park
Madison, Connecticut
Main office -- 203/245-2785
We just camped here in August. Very large campground, nice facilities,
with a swimming beach on the Atlantic Ocean.
Arrived late at night, left early next morning. Rush, rush. We didn't
have much time there, but it seemed like a well maintained park.
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There may be other places closer to Mystic. Connecticut isn't that big so
I assume these locations would be close enough.
Good luck on your trip.
YIS,
Cliff Golden
Scoutmaster Troop 33
DeKalb, Illinois
On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Ted Aamland wrote:
> Hi all,
> My troop is planning a trip to Mystic Connecticut this year and I am wondering if anyone knows of any good places to stay in the area. Naval bases, Council camps, etc. Contact information would also be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
> -Ted Aamland
> Asst. Scoutmaster
> Troop 31
> Port Reading, NJ
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:32:53 -0400
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At 02:13 PM 10/12/99 , you wrote:
>The next most important thing to a Cub Scout and many Boy Scouts after a
>Campout is a Patch. In Cub Scouts most dads could care less about the patch
>from what I have seen.
>
Its unfortunate that this is being looked at as a punishment issue. Young
folks are very observent. In this instance I can relate
where I've been through it both with Boys Scouts and Cub Scouts.
WHen the boys who completed the weekend/event saw the guys
who didn't complete it get the award, they quickly raised a minor row
over the issue of fairness. 'Why did someone who did not complete
the event get the same reward as the folks who did.'
Remember, it was the scouts who raised the issue. Once one or
two do it, it tends to grow. On the next event there were a couple more
guys who wanted to leave early and still get the award. How do you say
no?
The final issue of fairness the scouts will raise deals with the pack up
after the event. They will ask why so and so was allowed to leave
early and not help with the pack up. Next event, more guys will try to
beat the clock.
Like I said, this was personal experience in boy and cub scouting.
Final solution was to lay down the policy loud and clear...leave early
and you don't get the award. It is an issue of fairness raised by
the boys not the leaders.
Stephen M. Hoar
Newark OH
shoar@infinet.com
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:51:30 -0400
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> Another thing you don't get from reading the material is interaction
> with other Scouters. I've gotten literally hundreds of tips during
> training that aren't covered by any of the publications. I've also met
> dozens of Scouters who are excellent resources in all sorts of matters -
> and know where to find resources outside of Scouting.
I rise again in support of Tee Forshaw. I recently conducted Commissioner
Basic Training for my new Unit Commissioners. Yes, we covered the material
laid out in the manuals but the awesome thing was to set in a room full of
Scouters with 10+ years of experience and listen to the ideas flow. As each
drew from his experience and added to the topic, each of us saw new ways to
deal with problems and new ways to help the units in our district deliver
the program to the boys. You just can't get that out of a video or a book.
YIS,
Dan Smith
Scoutmaster, Troop 221, Oakwood, GA
Chattahoochee District Commissioner, N.E. Georgia Council
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Doug,
Here is a web page that has a camping table and a patrol box plans.
YIS
Dave Sears
http://users.aol.com/lwjones/table.htm
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Hello Everyone!
I unsubscribe because I was going on vacation and I didnt think my ISP
would like all those letters sitting in my mailbox for 2 weeks!
Incase I havent met you before, my name is Mary Chadwick (Maryellen)
and I hold a few hats..
Troop Advancement
District Boy Scout Roundtable Chair
District Training Chair
District Secretary
District Program Chair
District Webmaster
Council Webmaster
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Mom of a 1st Class Scout and a Joiner Scout
Wife of a husband who is very patient with all the above jobs :-)
Yes, you might say that we are looking to fill a few positions in out District
*g*
I am from the Yokayo District, Redwood Empire Council in beautiful
Northern California.
Glad to meet all the new friends here and hello again to all the people that
were around this campfire when I left :-)
Mary Chadwick
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:36:10 -0400
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> Behalf Of Bob and Rusty Taylor
>
> some merit badges, especially the outdoor ones, seem better
> fitted to go in
> a sequence, rather than any old way, but I freely admit a Scout can take
> the badges anyway he wants, as long as the requirements allow this.
>
> that said, I would appreciate your thoughts on how badges that build on
> each other and/or are related, might best be sequenced. for example;
> backpacking,hiking, orienteering,cooking, camping, first aid, all have
> things in common, but some reach out to others as partial requirements.
I don't think that these form a linear sequence, but there are
some precedences ( a partial ordering rather than a total ordering
in mathematical terms).
In particular, First Aid strikes me a a good building block
because of the first aid and CPR requirements in many others.
Then Camping, Cooking and Hiking could be done at about the same
time.
Backpacking and Orienteering are logical follow-ons to Hiking.
Wilderness Survival buils on Camping.
just my opinion of course.
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Robert Haar
ASM, BSA T188, Rochester Hills, MI
email: rhaar@mi.verio.com
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basic training; what sort of resources/literature/etc. do you put out for
attendees at basic training? is there some sort of suggested list of
materials?
I can think of a lot of things that I would like to see out on the table,
but am concerned about overloading people who are already getting a lot of
information.
Bob Taylor
--- "If you build it, they will come."
/ \
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(| @ @ |) Chief Seattle Council
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lacking a better name, I call this the "Philmont Opening" for training, and
want to know if you think it would be appropriate for local level training,
like basic training courses. I saw this a couple of years ago at Philmont,
and was really moved by it.
1. get the newest Scout you can find, I mean REALLY new, like the
ink is still wet on his application. introduce him, who he is, that he has
JUST joined Scouting, give him the microphone, and have him read the page &
paragraph from the handbook about the adventure of Scouting.
2. get the mnost impressive Eagle Scout you can find, cite his
credentials (honor society, sports, academics, extra curicular activities,
etc) and have him talk about his Scouting career and how Scouting has
helped him.
then give the microphone back to the MC and have him make just a
couple of comments about here are the two ends of Scouting; a brand new
Scout and an Eagle Scout, and this is what happens when we deliver the
promise of Scouting.
your comments?
Bob Taylor
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:19:03 -0400
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Bob and others,
Not so many years back, first aid MB was required for first class.
I felt then - that was OK - and I still think it should be one
of the firstr SKILL merit badges. As a scout begins to learn
to cook and camp - use woods tools - he - or his fellow scouts
may need first aid :) And first aid is a required pre requirement
for other MB's.
Next cooking - got to eat WELL at camp - really reuired in the
winter camping in NY. And camping next - since camping requires
a number of overnites. Hiking - then maybe back backing and/or
canoeing - before combined 50 milers! Followed by wilderness
survivial etc.
others ?
scouter don
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Bob,
I have to concur with Milt that the Region 7 Mug dates from the 70's and
most likely early 1970s. I have both the Region 7 Explorer Canoe Base patch
& neckerchief from about 1969 and the Region 7 BSA Canoe Base patch &
neckerchief from about 1973. The mug you described sounds like similar to
one I have that also dates to the same time period. As a kid growing up in
Indiana, Region 7's Canoe Base was the ultimate place to do Scouting and in
our area perceived as even better than Philmont. Getting a Region 7 patch
or a Region 7 Canoe Base patch was enough in those days to leave a Scout
giddy with delight. Your mug, if in good condition, is most likely quite
valuable as a collector item. You might be able to find a price on a
similar item at http://www.thestevensons.com to get an idea of its worth. I
would expect it to be at least $50.00.
Mike
Mike Bowman, Vice President
U.S. Scouting Service Project, Inc.
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>
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Hello Everyone:
I have a somewhat urgent request for information I want to use in our
Troop court of honor this Thursday 10/14. I once saw a narrative
describing the different Boy Scout rank badges (I think it is used in the
Eagle ceremony) The one part I remember is the second class badge is in
the shape of a smile to remind the scout to be cheerful. If anyone has
this or can point me to a web site to get it I would greatly appreciate
it.
YIS
Jim Mahoney
ASM Troop 107 Allentown, PA
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 23:00:54 -0400
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I would like to subscribe to the 2001 Jamboree and to the OA list
services. I had an address for the jambo but it is apparently not
correct. Could someone please provide me with the email address and
commands to subscribe to these two lists.
Twood b greatly appreciated.
Kikape (David Lock)
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:58:12 -0400
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Kansas Jim Peterson wrote:
>Have we gotten so far away from carrying our own gear and have so few
>events that ask a scout to cook his own food that we no longer
propose an
>individual cook kit be on a scout's personal equipment list?
In my opinion, there shouldn't be a lot of activities where each scout
cooks his own meal. We tried a weekend outing like that once. The idea
was to show the boys how much time and energy they saved by working
together as a patrol. One fire instead of 6, less dishes to wash, not
having to spend the time both cooking and cleaning up. We promote the
patrol method by encouraging the boys to cook and eat as a group.
YiS,
____________________________________________________
Jim Peterson Assistant Scoutmaster, Troop 379, Blenker, WI
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>They call themeselves the,
>"Tobasco Donkeys." Check it out at WWW.Campfiresongs.com!
My wife came back from the Powder Horn training at Philmont, a couple of
weeks ago, and brought home the Sawin' On the Strings CD, by the "Tobasco
Donkeys". I was really pleased to find the last entry as "Ashokan Farewell".
Some of you may have noticed the article in the Sep 99 'Scouting' magazine,
pg 10. Nice to hear a full rendition of the piece to put the words with.
My son really liked No. 11 Ugly Girl! It figures! ;) You got to hear it!
Thanks for the post 'Dirty Larry. I got to hear ya'll at Cypher's in '93!
I still remember watching the boys leave the 'Stomp' wiping tears from
their eyes after your closer of "Cat's in the Cradle".
Yours in Scouting,
Glen Rogers
...and a good old bear too...C294
SM T124, CC Crew007, Newton, KS, USA
Santa Fe Trail District, Quivira Council, Central Region, BSA
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I learned this summer of the forthcoming publication of a new training
package called the Troop Committee Challenge. It had an expected release
date of September 15th. Working with the Troop Committee Chair, we scheduled
an adult training weekend for the first weekend in October. I ordered one
copy of the course through my local council trading post, but not really
trusting them to get it on time, on September 15, I called National supply
and ordered one copy directly.
We had eighteen people sign up for the training weekend and we booked
training facilities and rooms at a Military MWR facility on Washington's
Pacific Coast. While the Troop Committee curriculum is recommended at 3
hours (I recommend 4.5), we made this an adult retreat weekend, no scouts or
other youth. We arrived at varying times Friday night, as our individual
work schedules allowed. (The facility is a 2 hour drive from home.) The
training was scheduled to start at 9:00 a.m. Saturday morning.
We actually had sixteen people show up. I served as one instructor and my
mentor and predecessor as SM was the other. We used two copies of the
"Challenge" materials and added to each package the new Committee Handbook
and a Boy Scout Handbook. We also supplemented with the new four part Troop
Program Resources.
Sticking pretty close to the curriculum outlined by the "Challenge" we
finished in 3 hours and 20 minutes. The evaluations we got were very good,
especially for course content and materials. After lunch, our Assistant
District Commissioner (also a member of the unit) gave Youth Protection
Training and certified us as YP Trained. We spent the rest of the afternoon
on the beach, and then we all went out to dinner to an Irish Pub. (The
committee Members wore their uniforms during the training, but switched to
"civvies" before we left for the pub.) We returned to the MWR facility
after dinner, played hearts and drank coffee and other things late into the
night. A leisurely drive back to town on Sunday, got us back by early
afternoon, all trained and refreshed.
One of my goals this year is training. Training for the boys, training for
the adults. Everyone needs to trained for the position they are in, and
maybe even for the next one they will hold (whether they know it or not).
I highly recommend that each troop get a copy of the Troop Committee
Challenge and use it, if not for a long weekend, for a full evening.
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Thomas Heavey, Sr. ___ | |
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WE-1-603-92 (I used to be an owl ...)
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because anyone can serve." --MLKjr
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>
> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:00:25 -0500
> From: Carol Capps <ccapps@RSN.HP.COM>
> Subject: Re: Magic explained
>
> Cheryl Singhal wrote:
>
> > OK, but pick 3 or 5; 7 seems to work?
> >
> > Or organize the math like a mathematician and I _think_ it'll change the
> > outcome?
> >
>
> That would be (((X*2)+8)/2)-X=4
> (((3*2)+8)/2)-3
> (((6)+8)/2)-3
> ((14)/2)-3
> (7)-3
> 4
>
>
>
> Well - if you want to stay with only the English version of names
> rather than the Native language name . . . ;)
>
> How about . . . Djibouti ??? (next to Ethiopia)
>
> http://www.igad.org/Djibouti.htm
>
> Or the Dutch Antillies ?
That part of the Dutch mini commonwealth happens to be known
as Netherlands Antilles officially.
Skip all those Democaratic things, still an E
Elk? Eel? Eland?
If the Scout concerned chooses the Dutch Republic, (nobody said
the country had to exist still) and chooses an Ukari, you're busted
> *
>
> Don - I can't help it - I marries a social studie major
>
> On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Terry Slade wrote:
>
> > I might have allowed the Dominican Republic for the Sammy Sosa
> > fans, but I really wonder how many cub scouts will know what the:
> >
> > >>And D also Deutshland :)
> >
> > is for and how many people call it Germany. Really now, we are talking
> > about scouts and not college professors here aren't we?
> > Donald R Izard wrote:
>
> > Well - if you want to stay with only the English version of names
> > rather than the Native language name . . . ;)
> >
> > How about . . . Djibouti ??? (next to Ethiopia)
> >
> > http://www.igad.org/Djibouti.htm
> >
> > Or the Dutch Antillies ?
> > *
> >
> > Don - I can't help it - I marries a social studie major
> >
> > On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Terry Slade wrote:
> >
> > > I might have allowed the Dominican Republic for the Sammy Sosa
> > > fans, but I really wonder how many cub scouts will know what the:
> > >
> > > >>And D also Deutshland :)
> > >
> > > is for and how many people call it Germany. Really now, we are
> > > talking about scouts and not college professors here aren't we?
> > >
> >
>
> Yes, but some of us work with Troops/Packs with mixed nationalities who
> would KNOW Deutchland and Djoubti and Dutch West Indies and the DR.
> Others work with boys whose parents have been stationed there. If you've
> lived in Suomi, it's sometimes hard to recall that Finland is the same
> place.
>
> The parlor-trick is predicated on a Americo-centric, plain vanilla "I
> don't know anyone who has ever lived in a different state" audience, who
> will all do the math *the same way* and who will all get the required
> answer. Nothing _wrong_ with that, it just happens to not fit a number of
> audiences.
>
> And the rest of you kvetchers -- an animal whose name in ENGLISH begins
> with a U? (g)
>
> Cheryl
Ukari (VBG)
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:09:04 -0400
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Such "traditional" patrol boxes are not practical in my troop's experience.
We have about six of them made by some unknown dedicated Scouter(s) in the
past 45 year history of our troop. When fully loaded with patrol gear and
food, they are heavy, bulky, and almost impossible to carry and load into
vehicles by less than 4 boys. The boys also have trouble fitting the legs
on the box when setting up camp; each leg, if not carefully made, is
uniquely fitted.
Our recent solution to the patrol box problem, was to buy each patrol a
light weight aluminum camp table and one or two tough plastic stackable
storage boxes.
YiS,
Norman Turrill
ASM and Advancement Chair, Troop 203, Keystone Area Council
Hyas Skaha (The Raven)
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 05:52:52 PDT
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Jim,
You wrote: "Have we gotten so far away from carrying our own gear and have
so few
events that ask a scout to cook his own food that we no longer propose an
individual cook kit be on a scout's personal equipment list? "
The answer is defintely yes, but perhaps not always for the reasons
you are thinking.
When I was growing up in troop 85 in Cleveland,
Ohio, we regularly made individual meals in our mess kits. In order
to do so, each of the 15 or so scouts in my troop dug their own
little trench in the 8 or 9 foot diameter campfire circle and built
our own fires (only 2 matches were issued and one was expected
to be returned). We then meticulously soaped the OUTSIDE (never forget
when Chuckie decided to soap the inside...he was in the latrine
for hours it seemed), of the kit and cooked whatever meal was up.
My recollection was even that the cooking skill award required
individual cooking. (please! if I am wrong on this due to faulty
memory don't feel compelled to send me 300 mail messages about it,
it's a minor point).
Times have changed a bit since then.
We now utilize the patrol method for cooking. The requirements even
support that strongly. (If you think about it, it is a more practical
skill too. Someday these boys may be cooking dinner for their
families while their wives work late).
Most importantly we have gotten away from having 15 fire trenches.
We now utilize smaller fires in general and alternatives whenever
possible to minimize the impact on the campsite.
Our boys still carry their own gear. And when we backpack they divide
up the cooking gear and stoves. But, we have moved from an emphasis
on individual to the patrol when it comes to cooking.
All in all, I think both methods have merit. Boys can still practice
individual cooking in the Wilderness Survival merit badge, and they
get more experience in working cooperatively in their patrols.
Bob Costello
Cubmaster - Pack 765 Scoutmaster - Troop 775
Westland Michigan - Detroit Area Council
Certified Trainer - Huron Valley Girl Scout Council
Former District Training Chair for Cub Scouts
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> > How about . . . Djibouti ??? (next to Ethiopia)
> >
> > http://www.igad.org/Djibouti.htm
Somebody brought up this country as an answer to my submitted magic =
trick. Never having heard of it, I looked it up and there it was. =
Monday afternoon, while home for lunch, I caught the TV show Jeopardy and =
POOF, was I surprised. Djibouti was one of the categories in Double =
Jeopardy. Small world. YiS Terry
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Mark wrote....
I would have no problem withholding the father's patch, because HE
definitely broke the rule. You did not provide enough information, though,
to render an opinion on the boy's patch.
Was he whining and agitating to go home, or was he being cooperative and
helping strike camp until Dad loaded him into the car and drove off? In the
first case, I would withhold his patch also; in the former case, I would
not, as it would be punishing the son for the sins of the father.
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Come on people...I have been reading this thread with some
frustration.
First of all, it is a patch! A peice of cloth with some embrodiery.
We aren't even talking about a rank patch, it's a camporee patch.
If your council/district is like most it will be available for
purchase next year at the trading post for a dollar or less.
Second, why do we all seem to get so hung up on "THE RULES". Have
so many of us forgotten why we are here? Are we here to _punish_
the sins (!?!?) of fathers and sons? Or are we hare to promote our
ideals? Are we here for character development and FUN for the boys.
Someone said it well in an earlier post...praise in public, criticize
in private...I can think of no better way to get a family OUT of
scouting than to embarass or "p" them off at a pack meeting. Then who
wins? The Cubmaster who stuck to his guns and upheld THE RULES?
The boy who had a great time camping, got denied a patch and now
isn't in Scouts? That Boys children who don't get into scouts because
he remembers the embarassment?
We need to stop trying to be judges and juries of parents and boys.
We all need to take a big dose of "get-over-it-already", especially
on the petty stuff and remember why we are in this. Or, some may even
need to review why they are in this. If you find yourself enjoying
the arguments about the rules...if you find yourself so hung up
on punishment of behaivior that you do so to the detriment of the
boy...if you are so inflexible that the black and white rules are all
that matters and not the heart of the boy...if defending your position
is your mark of importance and being right surpasses all....then...
maybe you need to find something other than scouting to do.
Before you all light your torches to flame me...stop and ask yourself
a few questions....Am I ticked off because he struck a chord in me?
do I see myself in that way and it angers me?
Bob Costello
Cubmaster - Pack 765 Scoutmaster - Troop 775
Westland Michigan - Detroit Area Council
Certified Trainer - Huron Valley Girl Scout Council
Former District Training Chair for Cub Scouts
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The easiest way to subscribe to Jambo01 is to go to:
http://www.bowline.org/html/lists.html
and fill out the form at the bottom of the page.
You can find the instructions for arrow-l at another page on the same
site:
http://www.bowline.org/html/other_lists.html
YIS
Jim Miller, Sr.
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> I would like to subscribe to the 2001 Jamboree and to the OA list
> services. I had an address for the jambo but it is apparently not
> correct. Could someone please provide me with the email address and
> commands to subscribe to these two lists.
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:59:09 -0600
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Hi Folks!
I knew this topic might prompt some discussion! :-)
Here are some thoughts:
I'm not proposing that we build seven fires for seven scouts (was that a
musical?).....no reason why, IF indeed you want to cook over a fire, you
can't build ONE fire and share it. But mostly, we use backpacking stoves
or at the most, a 2-burner propane.
Some folks mentioned backpacking weight, so I looked it up. The basic
folding cookkit weighs (according to Campmor) 9.6oz. I added up a the
weights of a Lexan bowl and cup. The total is between 10.0 and 10.8oz
depending on the model......and you STILL can't cook with 'em!
My thoughts on this are mostly skill-teaching related. Now maybe OUR
scouts are less able than most, but I'd almost bet you that many (most?) of
them have never ACTUALLY prepared an egg and bacon breakfast for themselves
(without burning it).....or cooked a hamburger(and made sure it was DONE).
Now before we go off on this, I'm not saying that we skip any of the T-1st
class cooking requirements and yes, we teach dutch oven cooking and offer
patrol-sized recipes, but let's face it, most of the time our kids heat up
spagetti-Os, hot dogs or ramen noodle cups. While all these culinary
delights have their place, seems to me that cooking a simple egg or
hamburger might also be a skill we could teach.
I dunno, but it seems to me that replacing the basic cookkit with "serve me
please" tableware has made our scouts less self-reliant and less.....uh,
Prepared.
BLUE SKIES!, Any day above ground is a good day!
Jim Peterson
BS RT Comm, Pelathe Dist
Heart of America Council Eagle Class of 1963
ASM, T-55, Lawrence, Kansas Brotherhood, Tamegonit Lodge
email: kupete@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Mic-O-Say: HW "Shieldmaker"
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:13:33 -0700
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Michelle Johnson wrote:
>
> I would NOT make a big deal about it. At the
Pack meeting, I would award
> all the patches to ALL the participants.
After they are awarded, I would
> mention that some parents and boys left early,
and did not help clean up.
> (Being careful not to mention names) Then
state that in the future, it will
> be required that everyone stay and clean up.
>
> Do not make an example out them. If you
punnish this boy or his father, you
> will quite simply....lose a scout.
>
I would suggest that this be handled in a more
positive light. Instead of announcing that 'some
parents and boys left early', take a few moments
after you present the patches to say 'I would
really like to think all of the parents and cubs
who helped with packing up the gear in the rain.
Thanks for your help, you did a great job' I'm
sure you can come up with something a little
better.
By doing this, you don't punish or lose a scout
and parent, but at the same time, the message is
still given. Be positive, not negative!!!
Hope this helps!
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Next Wednesday, October 20 at 7:30pm, the Knox Trail Council Western District
Boy Scout Roundtable will feature Operation Polar Bear. A member of the OPB
organizing committee will be making a presentation on OPB2K to be held in
January. Information about the program and registration for it will be available.
For those of you completely unfamiliar with this event, it is a weekend
campout with a winter camping theme for both Boy and Girl Scouts. It is
privately sponsored by a committee of Scout leaders in New England. It is
usually very well attended (in the hundreds) and has been held most often at
the former Fort Devens in Ayer, Massachusetts (this year's location has not
been officially announced yet).
One and all are welcome to attend.
The location of the Roundtable is St. Anne's Church on route 30 in
Southborough, Massachusetts. The church is about one half mile east of the
center of town (the intersection of routes 85 and 30). Route 85 leading to
the center of Southborough is about two miles east of the intersection of
route I-495 and route 9 (which is in the town of Westborough).
--
Robert Caron
Troop Committee Secretary, Northborough Troop 101
Brotherhood, Chippanyonk Lodge #59, OA
Knox Trail Council #244, BSA
Eagle, NE-I-193
Massachusetts
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I've been reading all these thoughts on scouts and cooking and thought I'd
add my own thoughts. Lot's of experienced scouters have told what they do but
I figure there may be some new leaders on this list looking for ideas for
their troops. Yes, there is a lot to be said for patrol method cooking and
individual cooking, high impact and low impact.
In my troop we have found in the last 75 years that we reach a balance when
feeding scouts. We camp every month and a week in the summer. At summer
camp or Philmont, etc. dinner is taken care of by the camp we are attending.
We divide up the rest of the years outings into 3 methods of cooking.
We attend a Camporee and in the spring and have a father/son campout in the
fall. At both of these we do Troop cooking. Our SPL assigns a team to do
preperation, cooking and cleaning etc. The SM and the SA's usually procure
the items needed. We drag out some old BBQ grills and dutch ovens, etc.,
it's a group effort.
We divide up the other campouts between individual cooking (sharing stoves,
dutch ovens or fire space) and patrol method cooking. We have a mix of boys,
some from big families and some with 1 parent or living with a gaurdian. We
figure they can use the experience in cooking for the group and for
themselves as this reflects real life for them. Many kids go off to college
and eat on a meal plan at the dorm, but sooner or later they are somewhere on
their own and hoefully will dine on something other than Dominos pizza for
the remainder of their single years.
Just some thoughts
Your Owl Friend
Chris in Houston
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Hi all,
I'm looking for program ideas for our Klondike Derby event that will be
held in February. Our troop is hosting the event. It will be held at one
of our council's camps, the Naish Scout Reservation in Bonner Springs, KS.
In the past, we've done a fairly traditional derby.....patrols build sleds,
etc. But we almost never have snow. We've done the add-on wheels thing
but mostly, we just have mud.......it's not been"a-great-time had-by-all"
kind of event pulling the sleds around in the mud and all......
So I'm looking for a different kind of theme/event for this year's Klondike
that will not involve sleds. If any of you have Klondike events that have
worked well, please email me privately. I'd sure appreciate your
suggestions!
BLUE SKIES!, Any day above ground is a good day!
Jim Peterson
BS RT Comm, Pelathe Dist
Heart of America Council Eagle Class of 1963
ASM, T-55, Lawrence, Kansas Brotherhood, Tamegonit Lodge
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On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Chris Summers wrote:
> themselves as this reflects real life for them. Many kids go off to college
> and eat on a meal plan at the dorm, but sooner or later they are somewhere on
> their own and hoefully will dine on something other than Dominos pizza for
> the remainder of their single years.
Our son learned cookie-making in nursery school. (g) Then the
elementary-school had some cooking activities; he CHOSE Home-Ec in Jr Hi
and Hi as an elective and took some ribbing for it. He got the Cooking MB.
And when he got to college, he could cook. So, since he ended up in an
"apartment" style dorm, he did. Chili, spaghetti, keema, beef curry, red
beans'n'rice (both Cajun and Indian style), jambalaya once. Met a lot of
interesting people who followed their noses, and one quarter 6 guys were
PAYING to eat whenever he fixed curry. He'll never make a living that
way, but he didn't eat PapaJohn's every weekend either. (And btw, if you
omit the Cajun spices and the meat in Red beans'n'rice, you can throw in
a T of curry powder and it's authentic. Also has the mild advantage of
being recognizable to most kids so they'll try it.)
There is something to be said for knowing HOW even if you never DO.
Cheryl
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In a message dated 10/13/1999 9:45:49 AM EST, troop302@XOOMMAIL.COM writes:
<<
> Do not make an example out them. If you
punnish this boy or his father, you
> will quite simply....lose a scout.
>
I would suggest that this be handled in a more
positive light. Instead of announcing that 'some
parents and boys left early', take a few moments
after you present the patches to say 'I would
really like to think all of the parents and cubs
who helped with packing up the gear in the rain.
Thanks for your help, you did a great job' I'm
sure you can come up with something a little
better.
By doing this, you don't punish or lose a scout
and parent, but at the same time, the message is
still given. Be positive, not negative!!!
Hope this helps! >>
Suggest that you give a special colored bead to those boys who stayed to the
very end. A glow in the dark bead works wonders on a string or safety pin.
Ken Spiegel
Assistant Scoutmaster Troop 80, Farmingville, NY (Long Island)
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I grant you these won't come up often, but...
1) Other Countries: Djibouti, Dominica, Dominican Republic
2) Other Animals: Emu (actually, when this trick was tried on me the first time, an emu IS what I thought of - I'd seen something about ostriches and their kin earlier the same day...), Eagle, Earthworm, Echidna, Egret, Elk
and of course the animals will be totally different if you chose any of the other countries! Yes I know, *pick pick pick*!
Anita H. <anitah@slip.net>
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I forgot who posted the original question, but I passed it along to my
sister, who was stationed at Ft. Rucker not long ago. Here is her
reply:
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>>Hi all:
>> I've been authorized by our BSA Council to look into improving our
>>Camp's Challenge Course (COPE). I was told that there might be a
>>"Construction Battalion" at Fort Rucker that has experience in
>>constructing elements of a challenge course. If anyone on the list can
>>provide me with a POC or phone number I would appreciate it. Also, if
>>you know of a better option to finding a low cost way of getting
>>material and labor for such a project...speak up.
>I can't specifically provide a contact, but I can tell you that Army
>Corps of Engineers is usually responsible for building our obstacle
>courses and frequently contribute assistance to worthy causes on the
>civilian side. Sorry I can't be of greater help.
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>Does anyone else out there ever yell and since when is it against the law? How
can this be handle >without further complicating the matter?
Scouting is one of the few programs in this county that submerges boys in an
environment that forces them to make judgments that tell them if they are right
or wrong. Their judgments will either give annoyance to failure or satisfaction
to success. If the Scouts can't control themselves with adults around, how will
they do it when adults are not around? The adults in our Troop have been asked
to leave the room if they feel the need to yell at the Scouts. There are the
rare occasion to yell but even after that, I find myself apologizing. If this is
to be a boy run Troop, then by golly, they better learn how to lead it.
Let the Scouts talk and have fun, let them ignore the sign, then let them suffer
the consequences of not getting anything done or going home late. If the Scouts
didn't really care that they missed their program, then it probably isn't a fun
enough program in the first place. You want the PLC coming up and complaining
about the talking and control. You want them frustrated (annoyance by failure)
so that they are motivated to solve the problem (satisfaction by success). But
if you, the adult, start yelling to gain control, then the Scouts learn two
things. First they learn that you, the mighty adult, will take control when YOU
don't like the way things are going. Second, they learn the un-skill of yelling
to gain control. Nothing like a Troop of boys yelling at each other to gain
control. As long as the adults maintain control in the boy run Troop, the Scouts
will never gain respect for your boy leadership or learn those skills
themselves. They will always see you, the adult, as a controller that demands
order. This is not what Scouting or Boy Run is all about.
Teach the Scouts how to gain order. Of course the Scout sign the first
responsibility. But you have to teach the respect of the sign as a tool, not as
a object of punishment or forcing respect. Since the beginning of Scouting,
leadership has been taught as a method of leading small groups of leaders who
lead their own small groups. In other words, SPLs should be working with his
small group of Patrol Leaders to gain control of their Patrols, not the whole
Troop. The SPL should hold the Patrol Leader responsible for the actions of his
Patrol. If they can't then that it is a sign that the Leader needs training.
But that is why he is a leader in the first place, to learn. Our Scouts found
that different ways of lining up the Troop makes it easier for all the Scouts to
see the SPL with the sign up. Our PLC has been in the habit of dividing the
Troop up into three small groups during the programs because they are easier to
control. I learned a long time ago that many times the Troops get loud when the
programs are boring. If you consistently see this, advice your PLC on changing
the boring part of the program. I heard a SM the other day explain how he tells
his Scouts to just sit down and shut up during the boring program so that they
can have fun during the game. I try to remind our guys that the whole program
from beginning to end has to be fun. If at any time the boys are talking because
it's boring, it's time for a change.
In a boy run Troop, the adults job is to give the Scout the tools to lead a boy
run Troop. If you see chaos and rowdiness, think of it as a positive
opportunity for you to work with your Scouts to improve their leadership and
character. Think of it as a need for your experience as an adult who has live
the tough life. But don't look at it as an opportunity to stand up and be the
controller. Scouts need to be motivated to do something, either by annoyance or
success. Use those tools to your advantage and find ways to help your PLC
maintain control. When you know that the Scouts are running their program
without adults in the room, your rewords are great. It takes time and, not for
just the Scouts, but also for the adults to get out of the habit of taking
control. But it's worth it.
Have a wonderful week. We just came back from a great rappelling campout. I love
this Scouting Stuff.
Barry Runnels
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:50:02 -0700
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What type of "tough plastic totes" or you talking? Like Rubbermaid Action
Packers?
Just wondering as the current SPL, ex- PL's mom
Sharon Brooks
PS - I did buy him the 24 qt Action Packer, and we really love it. - But -
they haven't really done alot with it since we put it together 1 year ago in a
couple of weeks. It has only been used 4 or 5 times.
Norman Turrill wrote:
> patrol box problem, was to buy each patrol a
> light weight aluminum camp table and one or two tough plastic stackable
> storage boxes.
>
> YiS,
> Norman Turrill
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:23:29 -0400
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beaver tree makes a nice plastic kitchen box . . .
http://www.beavertree.com
Scouter Don
I used to be an Owl - don't have NOTING to do with beaver or their trees
On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, 6 Pak Pepsi wrote:
> What type of "tough plastic totes" or you talking? Like Rubbermaid Action
> Packers?
> Just wondering as the current SPL, ex- PL's mom
>
> Sharon Brooks
> PS - I did buy him the 24 qt Action Packer, and we really love it. - But -
> they haven't really done alot with it since we put it together 1 year ago in a
> couple of weeks. It has only been used 4 or 5 times.
>
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*Somebody* (no, not ME ... not this time <giggle>) agreed that we
would put together the PowWow book for Santa Clara County Council.
PowWow will be in JANUARY ... which means the book should be mostly
DONE by now ... of course it isn't.
We need ideas!! HELP!!!
In the past, the book has been organized by month (Monthly Themes)
with items in the following sub-divisions:
- theme related
- pre-opening
- ceremonies
- audience participation
- skits
- games
- songs
- crafts
- cubs in the kitchen (not ALL edible)
followed by
Tiger Cubs
Webelos Scouts
Field Trips
Miscellaneous
The Themes we need input for are:
Turn Back the Clock
Cub Grub
Bugs and Things
See the Forest for the Trees
Space: The New Frontier (Space derby)
From Sea to Shining Sea
Toughen Up
Pockets
Our Gifts and Talents
Turn on the Power
What Do You Do at Holiday Time?
and whatever January 2001's theme is <sigh>
Thanks!!
(any submissions will be gratefully acknowledged in the book, of course!)
Kyna
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*Somebody* (no, not ME ... not this time <<giggle>) agreed that we
would put together the PowWow book for Santa Clara County Council.
PowWow will be in JANUARY ... which means the book should be mostly
DONE by now ... of course it isn't.
We need ideas!! HELP!!!
In the past, the book has been organized by month (Monthly Themes) with
items in the following sub-divisions:
- theme related
- pre-opening
- ceremonies
- audience participation
- skits
- games
- songs
- crafts
- cubs in the kitchen (not ALL edible)
followed by
Tiger Cubs
Webelos Scouts
Field Trips
Miscellaneous
The Themes we need input for are:
<fontfamily><param>Helvetica</param><smaller>Turn Back the Clock
Cub Grub
Bugs and Things
See the Forest for the Trees
<smaller>Space: The New Frontier (Space derby)
</smaller>From Sea to Shining Sea
Toughen Up
Pockets
Our Gifts and Talents
Turn on the Power
What Do You Do at Holiday Time?
</smaller></fontfamily>and whatever January 2001's theme is <<sigh>
Thanks!!
(any submissions will be gratefully acknowledged in the book, of
course!)
Kyna
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:52:44 -0500
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On October 5th Joel Korczynski asked if there were any good lists for Scout
Camps around the United States.
SCOUTER Magazine's SCOUTER.com web site has by far the largest collection
of B.S.A. Camps from around the country. Broken down by state, the SCOUTER
on-line database has over 400 listing of camps with web pages, each with a
description and the operating council. Currently SCOUTER is building a
database of ALL scout camps, even those without a web presence of their
own. To visit the complete database of every on-line BSA camp in America
(and Scout camps in other nations) go to:
http://compass.scouter.com/Camping_and_the_Outdoors/Where_To_Go/Camping/
(Make sure you copy the entire URL above into your web browser, sometimes
they wrap onto a second line).
Once at this page you will see a list of sub-categories:
@Leave No Trace
@Where To Go
BSA Camps
Girl Scout Camps
International Scout Camps
Other Youth Camps
Outdoor Clubs
Private Camps
State & Federal
The state by state listing for all BSA camps is at:
http://compass.scouter.com/Camping_and_the_Outdoors/Where_To_Go/Camping/BSA_
Camps/
Several of the states even have original editorial content about the camps
of that particular state. Visit Georgia, Virginia & Missouri for an
example of what I am referring to.
I hope everyone finds this to be a great resource!
YIS,
ED HENDERSON
Associate Editor, SCOUTER Magazine
Director of the 1-800-SCOUTER Catalog
BigEd@scouter.com
SCOUTER Magazine
P.O. Box 5840, Kansas City, MO 64171
4144 Pennsylvania Avenue, Kansas City, MO 64111
Tel: 1-800-SCOUTER (1-800-726-8837)
Fax: 1-816-931-4113
http://www.scouter.com/
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:10:09 -0400
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Subject: Seabase Advanced Scuba
My son attended the Seabase this year with another troop an earned the
Scuba certification. He had a GREAT time. Of course now he is "Hooked"
and want to go back and attend the Scuba adventure program for advanced
stuff. He is also the only certified Scout in his troop. Does anyone
know of a troop in the NY area going to the Seabase next summer for the
Scuba adventure. He would like to contact them and see if they have a
slot avalable for 1 more Scout. You can e-mail me privatly to avoid
waiting list space. Thanks Susan Schmid
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:17:58 EDT
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Thought this would make a good Leaders minute. Came from rkidsreverything
list.
YIS
Laura
bufflo@juno.com fox704@hotmail.com
PUTTING IT TOGETHER
In nineteen ninety three I had the opportunity to travel to Egypt on a
tour. It was a great trip, as you can imagine. One of the highlights was
seeing the great pyramids and the great sphinx. It may surprise you to know
that the sphinx is not as large as many people think. Many pictures show an
intentional combination of the sphinx and one of the pyramids,which leads
you to think that the sphinx is on the same scale as the pyramids. In fact,
the sphinx is probably twenty five or thirty feet high. About the height of
a modest home.
I suppose that just a glimpse of a sphinx is enough for most folks to
recognize that it is a combination of a man and a lion. The idea is to
combine the wisdom of men or women, with the strength of lions. Taking what
the ancient Egyptian’s thought of as the best qualities of the two species.
What would you think about choosing the best parts of other species,or
even of other human beings, and putting together the perfect man or the
perfect woman? Can you imagine being involved in a search for the perfect
eyes, the perfect shoulders, the perfect body, and so forth? More important,
what about the perfect brain, the perfect attitude, the perfect sense of
humor, perfect sensitivity, insight, perseverance, and so forth?
On the other hand, I’m not sure I could design a person anywhere
near as well as God can. There may be great wisdom in giving each person a
combination of strengths and weaknesses. What would it be like to have to
deal with perfection at every point as you go through life. There is a sense
in which our imperfections give us permission to make mistakes. They also
give us places where we know that we can grow. They provide us with
challenges and opportunities as we pursue areas that are strange and even
uncomfortable for us.
It seems to me that it is often the surprises which make people most
interesting to us, and in turn, make us most interesting to others. The
unpredictable little things keep us on our toes. The unreasonable decisions,
the incomprehensible explanations, and the illogical conclusions make us
what we are; unique individuals with characteristics that are as
individualized as our fingerprints. Furthermore, I am convinced that my
areas of greatest triumph have been in connection with my greatest
weaknesses and needs. God has enabled me to have victories by forcing me to
deal with my perceived inadequacies.
I urge you to look at yourself with appreciation, as you consider the
complexities of your body, mind, and spirit. You are a unique child of God
with special talents and gifts to share with the rest of us.
David L. Glusker
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:19:36 EDT
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:28:40 -0500
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Bob and Rusty Taylor wrote:
>
> basic training; what sort of resources/literature/etc. do you put out for
> attendees at basic training? is there some sort of suggested list of
> materials?
>
As a matter of fact, there is. Its in the front of the Training Guide.
I would certainly have "available" as much of the information as
possible, if for no other reason than show and tell. There are
references to the resources included in all of the training
presentations, and having the resources there, helps to emphasize the
point.
At a minimum, I would have the Leader Handbook for the training being
conducted, The Guide to Safe Scouting, and the Program Helps and the
youth handbook(s) for the level of training being conducted.
Just my opinion, your mileage may vary.
YiS
Roy Fisher
District Commissioner - Sioux District
Alamo Area Council
Used to be an Owl }8> . . . Always an Eagle!
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Hi I'm Sandy Lenichek, a Troop CC and Weebelos Leader from North Texas.
The scouts in my troop want to have a Thanksgiving Feast when we go camping
next month. Any Ideas?
YIS
Sandy 8-) (Sqrnot)
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:43:59 -0500
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How about something like an "Inventer's Kit"? Give each participant/den
whatever a kit (box or bag) containing a whole bunch of stuff: bits of
wood, string, spools, pipe cleaners, felt, rubber bands, tape,
watercolors etc. etc. Each day the group works on their "Invention" and
at the end of camp everyone shows off what they have done.
FWIW
Good luck,
YiS
Roy Fisher
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:47:59 -0400
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Good point Chuck! Most of the people here don't think there is a
problem, they are that closed minded. PR is the biggest problem facing
Scouting today, as a DE I used to do alot of it and the attitude was
better-but still not good. The problem comes from a National Staff that
believes PR is a waste and does not expect any from Councils-as if the
problem will just magically disappear. As if PR is something that
Scouting is somehow immune to. I believe that as an organization, we
are led by such a conservative group that they can't stand to give any
money to the liberal advertising business. I was very successful, but
in thanks you have seen the thanks I recieved-none. Growth didn't
matter either!
Scouting is down-way down. But as long as our eyes have blinders self
imposed, there is no insentive to change or grow. When it is thought
thru, the entire subject of Scouting is a waste-because we lack the
courage to admit that our own leadership is lying. All I hear is "it's
fine wear I am", just like people say about their politician, ours is
fine, but everybody elses is screwed up. You would think they would get
a patch or something! Like it's worth it! As a result we are all
guilty of the same thing we claim to be better than, hypocracy at its
worst. We can't expect any better from the kids than we can do
ourselves?
History will not be kind to us, we were given a way to make our kids
better-but closed our eyes to reality and let it slip away, for
money...of course.
Oh, and don't worry, it was only some peoples life...no big deal!
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:21:53 -0500
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Hello folks,
I don't know about your districts and councils, but here in mine we
charge participants for the patch. The charge is added into the registration
fee. If this is the case, I would strongly suggest giving the
_family_ what they paid for.
Larry Fenter
Cubmaster Pack 38
Nashville, TN
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In this discussion, I am having difficulty understanding that the rules
were broken. There was a CAMP rule that the pack had to check out of the
site but, if I remember the original post correctly, there was no mention
of a pack rule that would affect who got the patch (only an "understanding"
of the procedures"). IF the pack had such a rule, it should be observed
but if it was only a rule of the camp that patches were awarded after the
pack checked out, it seems to me that this occured. Departing as a unit
doesn't seem to be a requirement of "checkout."
Certainly, I would discuss the issue with the Dad who left without
completing the PACK's checkout process--but for which I didn't see any
penalty listed--but I wouldn't withhold a patch!
jim sleezer
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:46:10 -0400
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I thank Roy for his careful addition to my original message. Roy is right.
Start with the BSA for rules and regs and then ask experienced local
scouters for the good stuff that the BSA cannot put in. This case was one
where Ted needed definitions. BSA is best place to start then Scout-L for
how it really works.
Roy, thank you for expanding on my thoughts. This is what is great about the
list. Many heads etc.
Yours in Scouting
(MR) Laurie K. Burnaby Unit Commissioner
Great Ponds District Old Colony Council - Canton, MA
I used to be an Eagle
lkburnaby@mediaone.net
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wrote
> With all due respect to Laurie, and I don't disagree with what was said.
> The Scouting literature certainly should be one of the first resources
> considered, if the person asking the question has a copy or it is
> otherwise available. And its the ONLY sure place to get the positively
> "official" answer to any question posed to the list. But ...
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:58:27 EDT
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In a message dated 10/13/99 9:11:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
bobc775@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
<< irst of all, it is a patch! A peice of cloth with some embrodiery.
We aren't even talking about a rank patch, it's a camporee patch.
If your council/district is like most it will be available for
purchase next year at the trading post for a dollar or less.
Second, why do we all seem to get so hung up on "THE RULES". Have
so many of us forgotten why we are here? Are we here to _punish_
the sins (!?!?) of fathers and sons? Or are we hare to promote our
ideals? Are we here for character development and FUN for the boys. >>
To me, the last line quoted says it all as to why we withhold the patch.
What kind of character development is there when the person who shirked his
responsibilities gets the same rewards as the person who acted
responsibility? Our society is filling up more and more with people who
think the rules don't apply to them. I work in the school system, and way too
many kids (high schoolers) blame teachers/administrators when they screw up.
Nobody wants to be accountable anymore.
I think withholding the patch stresses responsiblility/ group effort / and
consequences. Three things that we don't see too much anymore.
Susan O'Connell
Baltimore
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You know, we can sit and complain about national not doing good PR work, but
that's not constructive. The fact of the matter is, it took me many years
before I'd wear my uniform in public. I'm 18 now, and it wasn't until about
two years ago that I'd actually wear my uniform in public. I only recently
began wearing the full field uniforms to our meetings (sorry Hank). I'm not
quite sure why I started wearing the uniform, but it probably had something
to do with working on camp staff at Broad Creek Scout Camp. It was at that
point that I realized, there are a lot of "cool" people in scouting. I met
more interesting people in that first summer than I had in my entire life.
Anyhow, once I realized that scouting wasn't for "losers" I no longer felt
bad about wearing the uniform in public. Just last month I was coming home
from an eagle ceremony for one of my friends. I stopped to get gas and I was
still in full uniform. I walked into the station to purchase a soda, and the
attendant was a high school dropout I knew. He giggled when he saw me, but
that just made me laugh. I was a boy scout and am in college, and he was one
of those kids that beat up boy scouts, and he's working at a gas station.
What I'm trying to say is, make the boys in your troop realize that there are
"cool" people in scouting. Maybe that will work for them, as it did for me.
YIS,
Kevin McClelland
fatclell@aol.com
Troop 615 Committee Member
Nentico Lodge 12 Service Chairman
Camp Spencer Staff, BCMSR
National Pike District, Baltimore Area Council
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In <0.6adcad7c.2536a041@aol.com>, on 10/13/99
at 10:56 PM, Kevin McClelland <Fatclell@AOL.COM> said:
>You know, we can sit and complain about national not doing good PR
>work, but that's not constructive. The fact of the matter is, it took
>me many years before I'd wear my uniform in public. I'm 18 now, and it
>wasn't until about two years ago that I'd actually wear my uniform in
>public. I only recently began wearing the full field uniforms to our
>meetings (sorry Hank). I'm not quite sure why I started wearing the
>uniform, but it probably had something to do with working on camp staff
>at Broad Creek Scout Camp. It was at that point that I realized, there
>are a lot of "cool" people in scouting.
I think a lot of it had to do with the fact that you finally got to the
point where you were secure enough in yourself and your choice of
Scouting that the ridicule from non-Scouts was meaningless to you.
Perhaps it all gets back to the character development thing. Part of
that character development involves developing enough self-esteem in the
Scouts that they are able to withstand ridicule and criticism for doing
what's right.
Sarah Nunez
trinoaks@flash.net
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:52:00 -0700
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Fellow scouters,
I have a couple of observations to offer about the changes to the
sports and academics program. It obviously did take a lot of work,
and has simplified things a great deal. Swapping books with other
leaders can be time-consuming (Especially if you are a science and
geek looking for academic booklets). As with anything, some of the
changes I like, others I am not so fond of yet.
I have seen some comments indicating that the requirements in the
new guide book have gotten easier to complete, along with being
presented in a simpler format. I don't know that I agree with this.
Don't get me wrong, I think that the more effort required to earn
something, the more value the boy will attach to it.
The sports pins now have a number of specific skills listed and to
eran the pin a boy needs to complete a minimum number. This is a
significant change from the current 30/60/90 formula that is based
on time spent playing and practicing. With the new program, you
have to ensure specific skills are practiced--many of which probably
will not show up in the younger groups, say T-Ball or "herd-ball"
soccer played by Tigers and Wolves. The sports belt loops haven't
effectively changed much, but the pins seem a bit harder to earn,
especially for a Tiger or Wolf. Until now, if you played and
practiced on a sports team, you were basically assured of getting a
pin at the end of the season if you kept track of your time.
Several of the academic subjects seem to have fairly stringent
requirements for the belt loop, but easier requirements for the pin
than before. Others academics have fairly easy requires for both
the loop and pin. Chess and Computers belt loops and pins seem
pretty easy (maybe because I am such a computer geek), but the Art,
Music, and Science seem more difficult. Am I correct in reading
that you need to "demonstrate six design elements" as one of three
requirements to earn a belt loop? I didn't know about some of those
design elements until I was studying photography in college; they
seem out of place in a program recently opened to Tiger Cubs, in my
(rarely-humble) opinion. Maybe I'm just not an artist....
It seems that in practice, there will be some belt loops that tigers
and wolves can earn, but the pins and some other belt loops will be
more practically attainable for WEBELOS.
Has anyone out there discussed how to handle the new letter
situation? Under the current program, a scout earned a letter if he
and an adult earned pins. In the new program, adults no longer earn
loops or pins. Do you simply give the boy the "C" letter with his
first pin? I would appreciate comments on this, since the new guide
doesn't clearly address it.
Again, I want to make it clear that I am not trying to be negative
about the changes. I believe that anything worth having is worth
earning. I still think that the boys in my den (currently Bears)
will be able to earn most of the belt loops in a single den
meeting--possibly two. We have been working on a belt loop each
month at a den meeting. I think it is positive for them to work
together to reach goals, and that each boy gets a bit of recognition
at each monthly pack meeting.
I think the changes in the sports and academic program will requrie
some adjustments by leaders in the field, but will continue to be a
great program for introducing the boys to new ideas and activities.
YIS,
David P Smith
Den 1 (Bear) Leader, Pack 99,
California Inland Empire Council,
Lake Elsinore, California
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I have recently been informed that one of our adult Scouters was recommended,
and approved, for one of the Heroism Medals as a youth (approximately 20
years ago). He evidently was the first lifeguard on-scene to a young man
who--in the middle of doing a "jack knife" off of a high dive--ended up
hitting his head on the board and getting knocked out. This guy (as a youth)
saw the entire event from his lifeguard platform, and was in the water almost
as soon as the man hit the water. He went straight to the bottom of the
pool, safely brought the guy to the surface, and did CPR poolside until the
guy was breathing on his own. He oversaw the strapping down of this guy onto
a backboard, and rode to the hospital with him--wet trunks and all! :-) I
know the man survived, but have no idea the extent of his injuries.
He turned down the award, stating that he was doing a job that he was being
paid to do (as a lifeguard), and "should not have been submitted for such an
honor".
Who would we contact to see if there is any record of his award being
approved by National?
As always, your help is GREATLY appreciated!
Bob Mayhew, Jr.
District Commissioner
Catalina Council / Papago Lodge #494
Tucson, AZ
Eagle--Owl--Vigil
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:41:56 -0400
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May I play devil's advocate here for a minute before you "correct" this
father or his son?
Why did he leave early? We've all seen those parents and sons that just
can't pack up and leave early enough on Sunday morning or those that leave
summer camp after the closing campfire and don't even wait until the last
day. Why are they so eager to leave? Did he have a good reason to leave
early or did he just not feel like he was fitting in and is truly welcome or
is he uncomfortable in Scouting surroundings? On campouts, the camp ranger
almost has to drag me out Sunday afternoons. My son and I have no problem
hanging around late after camp has been broken and everyone's been
dismissed. We do a little more hiking or just talk and play with other
lagging adults and sons who, like us, really don't want to admit that the
weekend activity is over.
Rewarding the boys that did stay until the end is really just another way of
singling out the boy that left early. I wouldn't do it. Take the high road
and speak to the father calmly in private.
Regards,
Mike Kelley
CM Pack 202, MC Troop 746, Greenbelt, Maryland
Patuxent District, National Capital Area Council
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:41:47 -0400
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Yes, Rubbermaid is one kind. Also you might find a large footlocker or
toolbox made of tough plastic. The plastic is important to keep out the
rain when they forget to bring it under cover.
YiS,
Norman Turrill
ASM and Advancement Chair, Troop 203, Keystone Area Council
Hyas Skaha (The Raven)
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voicemail: 717-531-4435 (office) or 717-534-2709 (home)
snailmail: 30 Hill Manor Drive, Hershey PA 17033
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>From: 6 Pak Pepsi <wchapel@innw.net>
>To: Norman Turrill <nturrill@NETRAX.NET>
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>Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999, 1:50 PM
>
> What type of "tough plastic totes" or you talking? Like Rubbermaid Action
> Packers?
> Just wondering as the current SPL, ex- PL's mom
>
> Sharon Brooks
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:42:19 -0700
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Cliff Golden was giving suggestions for places to visit near Mystic CT.
He suggested the US Coast Guard Academy. He wrote:
>U.S. Coast Guard Academy
>New London, Connecticut
>Public Affairs Office -- 860/444-8270
>Across the river from the New London Naval Submarine Base. They have a
>tall masted ship (the U.S.S. Beagle I think) which Scouts can tour if it
>is not out at sea on a training mission. Tours of the campus. We've
>never stayed there, only day visit. I think they have a campsite or
>building available.
Cliff (and all others):
The Coast Guard's (America's) Tall Ship is the USCGC (US Coast Guard Cutter)
EAGLE. A name which they proudly share with us. When my son received his
Eagle award, the Admiral of the 13th Coast Guard District sent him a note
with a framed picture of the USCGC Eagle.
The Master Chief Petty Officer of the Coast Guard (The E-10, the #1 enlisted
person) is an Eagle Scout and he just got the Commandant of the Coast Guard
to change the rules and give Eagle Scouts the rank of E-3 (Seaman) walking
in the door to boot camp. Almost all boots are E-1, The other four
services (they are part of some other Department known as DOD, rhymes with
dud) give Eagle Scouts E-2. How much of a difference is that? As of
January 1, 2000 a new enlistee at E-1 will earn $930 a month and will
advance to E-2 ($1,127 a month) upon completion of Boot Camp. Advancement
to E-3 ($1172 a month) is a minimum of six months at E-2, and it usually
takes longer.
An Eagle Scout can easily make E-4 (Petty Officer Third Class) within his
first year.
Cliff, thanks for the opening- as you can see by signature block, I have
first hand information about America's oldest continuous serving military
force (and the world's seventh largest navy).
B
