Tour permits and Chain of command (venting)
Thomas Tokar (TokarFamily@WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:37:46 -0400
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Hi,
I just came from a Pack committee meeting and I need to vent, and get =
some advice from the list. I want to be careful not to be specific as to =
names and town etc.. Therefore this will be as general as possible.
Here's our problem. In June the pack committee held a calendar meeting. =
Let me clarify, most leaders also hold a committee position and to save =
time (1 hour a week - lol) all leaders come to the pack committee =
meeting and we cover everything that needs handling. This is not a =
discussion if that is the right way or wrong way to do it, its just how =
we do it.
As I said in June we held a calendar meeting. Each den was represented. =
We set dates for all pack activities for the coming year. The Webelos =
leaders were asked specifically which dates they would like for camping. =
We wanted to prevent a repeat of last year of booking and paying for =
dates at the council camp, and then not having the leaders not use them. =
(this cost us much needed funds and possibly prevented another group =
from using the facilities) We asked if they wanted more than one date, =
or separate weekends for 1st and 2nd year dens. (we have 4 Webelos dens =
- 2 each for 1st and 2nd years). We were told one weekend was enough, =
and all Webelos dens would go together. We asked all Webelos leaders for =
input, and then set the dates. A weekend (Sat - Sun) in September was =
picked for Webelos Weekend. We also set a weekend in October for a Pack =
Family Camping weekend.=20
Tonight, at the committee meeting, we were informed that the 2nd year =
Webelos would be camping the weekend before we have booked. When we said =
this would conflict with the scheduled trip the following weekend =
because few families would want the boys camping 2 weeks in a row. They =
said it was not a problem because the boys would only want to go once =
anyway. I feel they were missing the point - if a weekend for all =
Webelos was planned with their input - then they are sabotaging it by =
planning a different trip the weekend before with only half of the boys. =
We requested that if they wanted to go more often, that was great, but =
just choose a weekend not so close to the weekend already planned. They =
refused to yield the matter. they said as den leaders they could plan =
whatever they wanted.
Also, we were told that the camping trip is already booked with the =
council, even though neither the committee chairperson or Cubmaster was =
made aware of the trip - and neither signed the tour permit. Isn't the =
permit supposed to be signed by the? How could they book a trip with out =
the permit or with a permit without the correct signatures?=20
I am just upset at how all this was handled. Any suggestion?
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mkayot@att.net
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Hi,
I just came from a Pack committee meeting and I =
need to=20
vent, and get some advice from the list. I want to be careful not to be =
specific=20
as to names and town etc.. Therefore this will be as general as=20
possible.
Here's our problem. In June the pack committee =
held a=20
calendar meeting. Let me clarify, most leaders also hold a committee =
position=20
and to save time (1 hour a week - lol) all leaders come to the pack =
committee=20
meeting and we cover everything that needs handling. This is not a =
discussion if=20
that is the right way or wrong way to do it, its just how we do =
it.
As I said in June we held a calendar meeting. =
Each den was=20
represented. We set dates for all pack activities for the coming year. =
The=20
Webelos leaders were asked specifically which dates they would like for =
camping.=20
We wanted to prevent a repeat of last year of booking and paying for =
dates at=20
the council camp, and then not having the leaders not use them. (this =
cost us=20
much needed funds and possibly prevented another group from using the=20
facilities) We asked if they wanted more than one date, or separate =
weekends for=20
1st and 2nd year dens. (we have 4 Webelos=20
dens - 2 each for 1st and 2nd years). We were told one weekend =
was=20
enough, and all Webelos dens would go together. We asked all Webelos =
leaders for=20
input, and then set the dates. A weekend (Sat - Sun) in September was =
picked for=20
Webelos Weekend. We also set a weekend in October for a Pack Family =
Camping=20
weekend.
Tonight, at the committee meeting, we were =
informed that=20
the 2nd year Webelos would be camping the weekend before we have booked. =
When we=20
said this would conflict with the scheduled trip the following weekend because few families would want the =
boys=20
camping 2 weeks in a row. They said it was not a problem because the =
boys would=20
only want to go once anyway. I feel they were missing the point - if a =
weekend=20
for all Webelos was planned with their input - then they are sabotaging =
it by=20
planning a different trip the weekend before with only half of the boys. =
We=20
requested that if they wanted to go more often, that was great, but just =
choose=20
a weekend not so close to the weekend already planned. They refused to =
yield the=20
matter. they said as den leaders they could plan whatever they=20
wanted.
Also, we were =
told that the=20
camping trip is already booked with the council, even though neither the =
committee chairperson or Cubmaster =
was made=20
aware of the trip - and neither signed the tour permit. Isn't the =
permit=20
supposed to be signed by the? How could they book a trip with out the =
permit or=20
with a permit without the correct signatures?
I am just upset =
at how all=20
this was handled. Any suggestion?
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