SCOUTER Interactive - Your Guide to Scout Out the Net! SCOUTER Magazine and Network
SCOUTER  |  NetCompass  |  NetRoster  |  Forums  |  ClipArt  |  Headlines  |  Auctions  

You are 1 of 2277 Active Users

 Locator >
SCOUTER : Archives : Scouts-L : November 1997 : Post
Menu > Email this page to a friend Send page to friend
 


Check out the new SCOUTER Discussion Forums and Post Your Questions Now!

Re: A permanent decision

Timothy O'Leary (tjo@IMSNET.NET)
Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:26:06 -0500


This tragedy is, as many of you have pointed out, not all that uncommon.
Depression can be a serious disease. Sometimes it can be natural to be
depressed in response to a life situation, but sometimes an exaggerated
response can be hard to see.

My thoughts aren't well organized, and I am not a psychiatrist. Hence,
the thoughts I express below should be taken as those of an educated
layperson....

In my opinion, a Scout leader who is concerned about one of his scouts
should perhaps contact the parents, and perhaps talk about some of the
options. Although most schools will bring in special staff to assist
lwith counseling after a teen suicide, some school districts can't
afford it, and troops often have Scouts from more than one school. If
the parents are "clueless" there may be little you can do, unless a
Scout has built a deep trust in you over time. Then, as a Scout leader,
you may be able to guide them into getting assistance.

In my opinion, a Scout leader needs to remain a Scout leader and a
friend, and should not try to get into the counseling business. "Hit and
run" counseling is not the way to treat the kind of serious depression
that is most often associated with suicide (neither, for that matter, is
a school counselor, but these folks are often better wired to get a kid
into the next echelon of care). In any case - and I am pretty sure of
this one - don't try to be a suicide counselor with your kids - even if
you are a Board-Certified Psychiatrist with a specialty in adolescent
psychiatry. You'll ruin the Scouting relationship!

If a parent can be alerted as to what to look for, and not go into total
denial, a parent is better placed than anyone else to get psychiatric
help for a depressed Scout. This takes tremendous tact - probably the
"Since Billy Zee coommitted suicide last month, I've beeen worrying
about all our Scouts...." Don't single out one boy, if you can avoid
it. Don't do it over the phone - do it face to face.

In this specific case, though, perhaps you can put it into the hands of
the PLC. Can you link a discussion of depression with an "in-troop"
introduction to the medicine or Public Health Merit Badge? Can you
raise community, troop and parent consciousness via a troop service
project?

In any case, this is a really, really tough question, with no pat
answers. If there is a psychiatrist on the list, please speak up. I
have an adolescent boy and an adolescent girl (plus a lot of Scouts) - I
need the education!

Tim O'Leary (M.D.), WDL, CC Etc.

Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City

A few Commercial Links from the SCOUTER NetCompass...


Featured Link It Takes Two: Scrapbooking & FundraisingClick here for more information
Boy Scout papers and stickers for scrapbooking

Featured Link Corn maze, Pumpkin Patch & Country FunClick here for more information
Get lost...in over 20 acres of cornfield mazes including a Haunted Maze at Dewberry Farm! Shoot the incredible Corn Cannon, take a hayride to the pumpkin patch, or have a campout around a campfire.

Featured Link Treasure Map BrokerClick here for more information
Use your scout skills to create a treasure map that can be sold over and over again. Adventurers figure out clues and riddles that lead them to a hidden treasure. An advanced form of geocaching where you get paid every time someone finds your cache.

Featured Link Packsacks BWCAW Canoe TripsClick here for more information
Packsacks BWCAW Canoe Trips, located at the edge of the Boundary Waters, is a resort and canoe outfitting base. PACKSACK is in the midst of fishing at its finest! PACKSACK offers a wilderness adventure of canoe trips into the BWCA and Quetico Park,

Featured Link Sierra Trading Post -- Outdoor GearClick here for more information
Sierra Trading Post offers savings on name brand camping and hiking gear. Find outdoor gear from Komperdell, Burton, Vector, Sigg, Crazy Creek, Eureka, The North Face and more.

Featured Link Panama Canal and Rainforest AdventureClick here for more information
Canoe jungle rivers and waterways of the Panama Canal. Hike the jungle and old Spanish Treasure Trails. Visit and live with Indians of the rainforests and camp at centuries old forts. Retrace the paths of Conquistadors, Pirates, and 49’ers.

Featured Link Keewatin Sail Training & High AdventureClick here for more information
BAHAMAS - A Bahamas Scout Oriented Sail Training Program

Add your link to SCOUTER NetCompass





Join SCOUTER.com

Join SCOUTER.com and participate in the Discussion Forums & receive our email newsletters. First, please enter your e-mail address. We'll see if we have you in our records (must be complete and valid e-mail address to complete registration):

E-mail address

Postal/ZipCode


Site Members Login


SCOUTER Forums

Share your questions, answers and ideas in the SCOUTER Forums!


FREE Web Hosting from SCOUTER!
SCOUTER.com provides free web hosting to more than 2,000 Scout units!

What's become of SCOUTER Magazine, the print publication?

Buy the Back Issues

NetCompass
Categories

Advancement
Calendar
Campfires
Discussion Lists
Graphics and Clipart
Leaders Resource
Medical Issues Library
Meeting Activities
Scout Skills
Scouting History
Scouting Organizations
Service To America
Training
Where To Go
Youth Protection

Sponsors

Site Dedication

SCOUTER celebrates the life of William Hillcourt... Scoutmaster to the World and the founding inspiration for the grassoots resources we share.

© 1994-2005 SCOUTER.com. All rights reserved.

SCOUTER is an independent publication and has been the primary Scouting portal on the web since 1994.
It is not officially affiliated with the Boy Scouts of America, the Girl Scouts of the USA or the World Organization of Scout Movements.
Web Developer/SaaS Hosting by FastRoot, Chicago - Terry Howerton

spacer.gif (57 bytes)