Re: Summer Camp Partials
Bruce E. Cobern (bec@PIPELINE.COM)
Wed, 27 Nov 1996 03:43:08 GMT
At 09:40 PM 11/26/96 -0500, Donald w Scruggs wrote:
>> If your council is allowing them to shortcut the requirements at summer camp
>> then you should be screaming loud, long and often. As stated above you
>> certainly can make sure the requirements were done and any that the camp
>> signed off which weren't done you should insist that they do for you. After
>> all, YOU become the counselor of record and when the Scout makes a fool of
>> himself it will reflect on you.
>
>Sorry Bruce,
>Here she is correct. If you read the official national requirements for
>Env. Sci. you will find that the requirements are actually different
>for those doing this at camp!!
I know that the requirements for ES are different if you do the observations
at camp. Kathie specifically stated that the camp was allowing the Scouts
to shortcut the requirements. Either she meant that they were not doing the
summer camp requirement, they were shortcutting the other requirements, or
she didn't realize the observation requirement was different at camp. In
any event, I stand by my statement. If the camp is allowing shortcutting of
requirements she should be screaming long, loud, and often, AND, she should
be satisfying herself that all requirements have been done to her
satisfaction, even if that means requiring the repetition of some
requirements. We agree here.
>> When? Where did it ever say there was a time limit on partials? Many
>> councils did and still do make the statement, but for the 20 plus years that
>> I have been dealing with advancement I can never recall seeing it in
>> writing. What they did do was now put in writing, unequivocally, that there
>> is not expiration, but that doesn't mean that there ever was one.
>There was never (to my knowledge) any requirement to complete any
>partial in six months or any other time limit. There was, however a
>requirement in some councils to BEGIN (i.e. find a counselor and START)
>working on any Summer Camp Partials within six months. I have seen this
>in writing in summer camp guides issued by the National Capital Area
>Council, although not recently, I don't think that is enforceable in view
>of the new edict.
I know that councils had various time limits (or thought they did) on the
completion of partials. What I always thought was interesting was that
councils tried to claim that there was a six month time limit. That meant
that the Scout couldn't come back to camp the next summer and complete the
mb he started the prior summer, even though the badge might be one that
could only easily be earned at camp. I guess that way they felt they would
never have to worry dealing with partials. I don't believe these local
requirements were EVER in accord with national policy. When I was out at
Philmont I got the distinct impression that national felt that these time
limits were never allowed but finally realized they had to make a specific
statement about something they always felt was policy
--
Bruce E. Cobern
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