2nd RFD

Please pass this along to forums where Scouts and Scouters are
present. This is the SECOND Request for Discussion (RFD) concerning
the rec.scouting.* newsgroups on USENET.

Thanks for your attention and please note where to post comments
concerning this major restructure of the newsgroup.

Settummanque!
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>From: Bill Nelson <nelsonb@aztec.asu.edu>
>Subject: 2nd RFD: rec.scouting* reorganization
>Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.scouting,rec.backcountry,ca
n.scout-guide,uk.rec.scouting,chilie.scout,nl.scouting,shamash.j-scouts
>
> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
> unmoderated group rec.scouting.international (replaces rec.scouting)
> unmoderated group rec.scouting.usa
> unmoderated group rec.scouting.usa-issues
> CREATE rec.scouting.* hierarchy
>
>This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the
>reorganization of the rec.scouting group into a rec.scouting.*
>hierarchy. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot
>vote at this time. Procedural details are below.
>
>CHANGES from previous RFD:
>
>The group rec.scouting.misc has been renamed to rec.scouting.international
>The group rec.scouting.usa has been added to the proposal.
>The group rec.scouting.politics name was changed to rec.scouting.usa-issues
>
>RATIONALE: all groups
>
>Rec.scouting is read by scouts and guides worldwide.
>It has become a central source of program information for them.
>The original charter for rec.scouting specified rec.scouting as
>a place to go for program information and over the years a
>great interest has emerged in discussing political issues
>related to scouting and guiding.
>
>The traffic in group rec.scouting currently averages about 93
>posts per day, of which 15-30 are of a political nature (designated
>as 3G in the group). This volume indicates that we should
>consider a split if merely for every user's efficiency
>or cost savings to download and read.
>
>It is time for rec.scouting to be divided into a number of groups to
>better handle the traffic and subject matters discussed. Also this
>categorization will allow for the growth of discussions within each
>of these subject areas.
>
>The proposed rec.scouting.international renames the
>rec.scouting group and is necessary to avoid confusion
>with the hierarchy. The charter is the same as the
>previous charter, except for the
>addition that US posts will be directed to
>rec.scouting.usa*.
>
>The proposed rec.scouting.usa newsgroup provides a
>forum for the discussion of program, membership,
>finance, and unit support topics related to the scouting
>programs in the United States, and in areas where the USA's
>scouting programs are carried out around the world. Such
>topics include but are not restricted to discussion of the
>WEBELOS Cub Scout program, the Eagle Scout rank and the steps
>leading to this rank, outdoor and community activity ideas,
>memorabilia trading and explanation, and other topics.
>There are many posts currently posted to rec.scouting that
>discuss these and related topics and it is envisioned with
>the creation of this new newsgroup, that more and frequent
>postings will be made to this group.
>
>There is precedence on USENET for national forums. There are
>currently newsgroups for UK, Canadian, Dutch, Chilean, and
>other national programs.
>
>People who have tried to place ongoing articles, information,
>and responses to current discussion onto rec.scouting pertaining
>to USA-only programs have been forced off by current users of
>rec.scouting with the explanation that rec.scouting is meant to be
>an international group. A place for these posts is needed and should be
>provided for on the Internet via USENET.
>
>The appropriate place to put such a group would be in a
>rec.scouting.* hierarchy. This hierarchy does not, presently,
>exist. This change would create this hierarchy and a
>convenient place for future expansion of rec.scouting.*
>groups.
>
>rec.scouting.usa-issues is new group concentrating on political issues in
>US scouting and guiding. The large percentage of such posts in rec.scouting
>show that this new group will be read and written
>to by many people. This group would be open to any issue relating to
>a US Scouting program. For example, the
>anything relating to the "three Gs" in the USA.
>
>CHARTER: rec.scouting.international
>
>Rec.scouting.international is an unmoderated group for boy and girl
>scouts and guides, cub scouts, venturers, rovers, scout leaders
>and all people interested in scouting and guiding, worldwide.
>This group discusses issues relevant to scouting activities,
>and the administration of scout units. It allows for the
>solicitation of advice from other netters on what to do in
>certain situations, and generally seek and provide support and
>encouragement with respect to scouting.
>Cross-posting to other rec.scouting groups is strongly discouraged.
>Postings concerning topics pertaining solely to US scouting is
>strongly discouraged.
>Postings not related to scouting or guiding are discouraged.
>
>END CHARTER.
>
>CHARTER: rec.scouting.usa
>
>rec.scouting.usa is an unmoderated group for Boy and Girl Scouts,
>Cub Scouts, Explorers, Christian Service Brigade members, members of
>other religious-based scouting or guiding organizations, their leaders,
>advisors, professional or career employees of USA scouting movements,
>and all people interested in scouting and guiding in the United States.
>
>This group discusses issues relevant to the program, unit support,
>finance, membership development and the administration of scout units.
>It allows for the solicitation of advice and information from other
>netters on what to do in certain situations, and generally seek and
>provide support, general information and encouragement regarding scouting.
>
>The content of this newsgroup is NOT to be accepted as "official
>information" coming from American scouting organizations, as such
>information comes normally through their national offices through
>regional groups to local organizations for distribution to units and
>members; however posted messages to this newsgroup may contain parts
>of official publications and information to answer or respond to
>questions or issues brought up with the proper crediting of such
>information by the poster.
>
>This newsgroup is NOT the place for discussions on scouting ISSUES,
>for instance, issues related to girls in the boy scout program, male
>leaders as opposed to female primary leadership in the girl scouting
>program, whether or not Assembly of God churches should abandon the
>Boy Scouts of America's programs in favor of the Royal Rangers, or
>open homosexual members as members or leaders in BSA programs.
>Those discussions will take place on rec.scouting.usa-issues, and those posting
>to this newsgroup will be followed or redirected to rec.scouting.usa-issues.
>Cross-posting to other rec.scouting groups is strongly discouraged.
>Postings not related to scouting or guiding in the United States are discourage
d.
>
>END CHARTER.
>
>
>CHARTER: rec.scouting.usa-issues
>
>rec.scouting.usa-issues is an unmoderated newsgroup for the
>discussion and explanation of US national or
>regional issues concerning
>national Scouting or Guiding organizations'
>policies, rules or regulations. Cross-posting to other
>rec.scouting groups is strongly discouraged. Postings not
>related to Scouting or Guiding issues are discouraged.
>
>END CHARTER.
>
>
>PROCEDURE:
>
>This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In
>this phase of the process, any potential problems with the
>proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion
>period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from
>when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to
>news.announce.newgroups). All discussion should
>be posted to news.groups.
>
>At the end of the discussion period, a Call for Votes (CFV)
>will be posted by a neutral vote taker.
>
>This RFD attempts to fully comply with Usenet newsgroup
>creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet
>Newsgroup" and "Writing an RFD". Please refer to these
>documents if you have questions about the process.
>
>DISTRIBUTION:
>
>This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:
>
>news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.scouting,rec.backcountry,
>can.scout-guide,nl.scouting,uk.rec.scouting,chilie.scout,
>nl.scouting,shamash.j-scouts
>...and to the mailing lists:
>SCOUTS-L@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU
>E-SCOUTS@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU
>
>Discussion will take place in news.groups ONLY. Please post
>follow-ups to news.groups only.
>
>-
>Proponents:
>Bill Nelson <nelsonb@aztec.asu.edu>
>James A Lindberg <jal@cray.com>
>Mike Walton <blackeagle@hcc-uky.campus.mci.net>

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