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Subject: RE: Advancement for Scouters
Johnette Sue Seibert <sseibert@TENET.EDU> writes:
>My husband and I would like information regarding the requirements for
>the following Scouter achievements:
> Scouters' Training
> Scouters' Key
> Adult Scouters' Religious (Episcopal) knot
> Interpreter
Hi Sue!
Here's what you wanted regarding each. I hope that this is what you
are looking for. If not, please let us all know and we'll try to make
it a little clearer for you!
(great question, by the way!)
The Interpreter strip is available (legally) in 28 languages and
American Sign Language (and illegally in 31 languages...pig latin,
espananto, and Southern Drawl. While those are not "official
languages" according to the BSA's International Division, many folks
*do* speak those languages fluently enough to have earned the strip.
Those strips are NOT BSA issue items, and can usually be purchased
from Scouters that are traders or through various patch/memorbilia
magazines or brochures). The basic requirements for Scouters are the
same as those for Scouts: carry a conversation for five minutes in
that language with a person whom speaks that language; write a letter
in that language and be able to read a letter which was written in
that language (not required for American Sign Language nor for Manual
Sign Language) in both that language and in American English (which is
different from British English).
Nope, there's NOT a "rap" interpreting strip nor a "street slang"
strip, legally or not. The unit's Committee chair approves all
applications from adults; the unit leader approves all applications
from members. There's no official application for the award, but many
local Councils have developed something on the order of this one which
I "pirated" from the old Lonesome Pine Council (long since merged with
the Bluegrass Council):
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LONESOME PINE COUNCIL BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA
Application for Interpreter's Strip in _______________________
( strip illustration )
The Interpreter's Strip is earned by Cub Scouts, Scouts, Explorers and
Scouters whom have met the following requirements. Approval for all
youth awards are made by the unit leader; approval for adults wishing
to earn the award are made by the unit's committee chair or District
Chairman.
The Interpreter strip is worn immediately above the "Boy Scouts of
America" strip above the right pocket by those members completing the
following requirements. Good taste suggests that only two Interpreter
strips be worn at any one time; however, Scouts and Scouters may earn
as many strips as they feel confortable translating to and from.
(*bolded*) Please note that those members and leaders whom have earned
this strip WILL be called upon by this Council or by the Boy Scouts of
America to translate and serve as interpreters during BSA National and
our Council's activities and summer camps.
REQUIREMENTS:
1. Carry on a five minute conversation with another person in the
language or sign language.
2. Translate a two-minute speech or address into the other language
or sign language.
3. Write a letter in the language (not required for sign languages).
4. Translating 200 words from the written word of that language.
Scout/Scouter____________________________ has successfully completed
all of the above requirements to my satisfaction and I recommend
their receiving this award.
_____________________________________
Signature of person certifying completion
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Printed Name Title (teacher, etc.)
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Address
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City, State, Zip
Scout/Scouter ____________________________is a registered member of
Pack/Troop/Team/Post/Ship _______ in this Council. The award of the
Interpreter's Strip in _________________________ is approved.
We plan on presenting this award on _________________________.
(note: Interpreter Strips for German, Spainish, Sign Language, Latin,
French, Italian and Japanese are routinely kept in stock. Other
strips require a 3-week ordering period.)
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Unit leader/Chair signature Position title
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For Council Use only:
Unit number_________ Date rec'v ______________
Strip ordered by _________ Language __________________
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For the answer to the square knot question for the Episcopal religious
award, I would have to ask a simple question (not prying, Sue!).
Did he receive the award as an ADULT or did he earn is as a YOUTH
member? The reason why I ask is because there are TWO square knots
being used, one for wear by youth members AND adults whom have earned
a religious emblem/award as a YOUTH (this one is a shiny silver
square knot on a deep purple, fully embrodered background) and one for
ADULTS ONLY whom have received a religious emblem from a faith (not
neccessarily your own, as I can attest to this fact)...(this one is
a dark purple knot on a grey background (it's supposed to be silver)
with a shiny silver border around the edge.
If he earned/recieved both awards, one as a youth and the other as an
adult, he would be able to wear BOTH square knots. Otherwise, no
matter how many adult or youth awards he had earned or recieved, he
only wears ONE knot emblem on his field uniform. Scouts that earn
one religious emblem as a Cub Scout and later becomes a Boy Scout, can
wear a small Cub Scout device on the knot to signify his earning this
award; likewise, a Boy Scout, Varsity Scout or Explorer can do the
same thing, if they have earned the award in their program (not many
faiths have programs that cover all program areas, so the possibility
of Scouts wearing more than three devices is rather slim indeed).
Adults may choose to do the same with their youth award square knot,
but in all honesty, I've only seen two adults with more than the basic
square knot on their shirts in the 20-plus years of Scouting I've had.
You also asked about the Scouters' Key Award and the Scouter's
Training Award. That information is covered in some depth in a
Scouting booklet that I would recommend you get. The booklet, Sue, is
called "Leadership Training: Plans, Procedures, Materials" and it is
BSA # 4169. Your local Council service center should have them there.
Or ask your Unit or District Commissioner to give you a copy of the
scorecard pages for both awards.
Basically, the Key is for the primary leader (in this case, the
Scoutmaster) and the Training Award is for all other Boy Scouting
leaders. The Key takes three years to earn; the Training Award two
years. A Scoutmaster cannot earn the Training Award and then the Key.
He has to earn the Key only. However, an Assistant Scoutmaster whom
later becomes Scoutmaster MAY earn the Training Award and later the
Key but he cannot use the two years as Assistant Scoutmaster for
tenure for the Key. This is partly to keep the Scoutmaster in
To make the rules simple, I'll use myself and Ralph Johnson (a friend
of mine, whom served as Assistant Scoutmaster and later as Scoutmaster
of a Troop in Bowling Green).
As a Scoutmaster, the ONLY award I can earn is the Scoutmaster's Key
Award. Halfway through completing the Key, I *should* have earned the
Scoutmaster's Award of Merit (a relatively new award to keep me going
midway in the three year period). I *should* also be Wood Badge
trained by the end of the third year, while not a part of the
requirements for the Key. I can NOT go back and earn the Training
Award after my three-year tenure is up, if I stay with my Troop or go
to Ralph's Troop. Once you earn the Key, that's it.
Ralph, on the other hand, can earn the Scouter's Training Award as
either a Troop Committeemember of my Troop, as Troop Committee Chair
or as one of my Assistant Scoutmasters. He does not qualify for the
Scoutmasters' Award of Merit because he's NOT a Scoutmaster (just an
assistant. This is the reasoning behind Olan's Council producing a
special award for the Assistant Scoutmasters in his (and several other
local Councils are doing this too) ).
Later on, after I leave as Scoutmaster, Ralph becomes the new
Scoutmaster and starts his three year tenure toward the Scoutmaster's
Key. He CANNOT use the two (or three or five years) that he's been
registered with the Troop as tenure for the Key (yeah, I know, there's
many local Councils that skirt this NATIONAL POLICY...we've talked
about it here at great length about two years back!). He has to use
that three years to earn his OWN Scoutmaster's Award of Merit, and
later Key.
So, if you want to earn both awards, you have to serve as an Assistant
Scoutmaster for two years or more and THEN serve as Scoutmaster for
another three or more.
There are other requirements, which are covered on the cards that you
can get from your Commissioner or from the booklet. I think that
there's also a file on our listserver that has the current
requirements for each as well. If you have difficulties getting the
requirements, please write us all back here and we'll be more than
happy to send them to you privately instead (the requirements take up
a lot of lines, or else I would have went right on and listed them
here, Sue!)
Again, thanks for asking those great questions and I hope that you get
more responses than just mine from this list. Welcome!
Settummanque!@ HEY! Yeah, I'm back home and I've got lots of mail and
lots of stories to share...and I've just told my honies
goodnight! I've GOT to invest in a laptop or something!
--
Settummanque, the blackeagle... (MAJ) Mike L. Walton (
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